M38a1 canvas door mod

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M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Mike Seymour » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:23 pm

Wes, Here's that zipper I was telling you about on the phone. Now I don't have to get out of the Jeep to adjust the mirror...also comes in handy for road rage hand signs. :D

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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Joe Gopan » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:48 pm

Nice fit on the Canvas.
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Cuz » Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:23 pm

My turn to drop an apple on the teachers desk! :wink:

Very nice Mike.
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Mike Seymour » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:36 pm

Thank you Joel and Wesley...You two boys are being very, very good today. :wink:
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Cuz » Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:28 pm

You two boys are being very, very good today.
Well we certainly can't let that set any record! Let's see what we can do with the A1 board!
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by D Pizzoferrato » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:50 am

Ben Dover wrote:Nice fit on the Canvas.
Thanks Joel :wink:

Mikey, Take a peek at this pic of my M170.
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You may have to squint, but the zipper is there.

They say that immitation is a form of flattery; well, I'm flattered :)
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Joe Gopan » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:31 am

Can't imagine after seeing your mod, why Willys never did that. I have been attempting to give proper right turn hand signals thru canvas Jeep doors for over 50 years.
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Cuz » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:35 am

I have been attempting to give proper right turn hand signals thru canvas Jeep doors for over 50 years.
That's a bit tough on the doors. The Air Force taught us to unlatch the door and stick our signal arm through the opening! :lol:
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Joe Gopan » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:41 am

Really? And what does on coming traffic see? What does the traffic behind you see against the sillouhette of the door if you are dressed in OD?
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Mike Seymour » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:25 pm

D Pizzoferrato wrote:
Ben Dover wrote:Nice fit on the Canvas.
Thanks Joel :wink:

Mikey, Take a peek at this pic of my M170.

You may have to squint, but the zipper is there.

They say that immitation is a form of flattery; well, I'm flattered :)


David, Why didn't you mention that during our last phone conversation. I got a brain cramp figuring it out on my own. :roll:
BTW...Guess I'll save these two longass zippers you sent me just in case I want to make a coupla' sleeping bags.

Now we will return to our regular programing... The Wes and Joel show..... :D
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by D Pizzoferrato » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:28 pm

Somewhere in my pile of NOS canvas is an early M151 Driver's door with two zippers. One is below the window, presumably a hand signal opening or gate pass zipper; the other is in a forward vertical position, probably for mirror adjustment.

Sorry about your brain cramp. I thought you were going to try to use the longass zippers to open the windows.
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Cuz » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:32 pm

Joel,
Let me see if I can simplify the procedure for you.

1-Hold steering wheel with right hand.
2-Unlatch Driver's door.
3-Slide arm out along rear edge of door leaving door at rest against your arm pit!
4-Your forearm and about half of your upper arm will now be just as visible front/rear as the same arm sticking through a zippered slot.

Note: If you are holding the door wide open then the color of your vs the color of the door is not the real problem! :lol:

Maybe things are different in Maine but here in Wisconsin in the winter I don't try unzipping my CJ3B and CJ5 door windows to use arm signals. I do what I just explained above and have no visibilty issues. But then I was mostly Air Force! :wink:
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Mike Seymour » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:45 pm

D Pizzoferrato wrote:Somewhere in my pile of NOS canvas is an early M151 Driver's door with two zippers. One is below the window, presumably a hand signal opening or gate pass zipper; the other is in a forward vertical position, probably for mirror adjustment.

Sorry about your brain cramp. I thought you were going to try to use the longass zippers to open the windows.

Nahh, I couldn't get the long zippers to make the two 90 degree bends in the area above the windows. The two zippers I used were gate pass zippers from some old trashed M38a1 doors. It's all good, David. :wink:
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Mike Seymour » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:53 pm

Cuz wrote:Joel,
Let me see if I can simplify the procedure for you.

1-Hold steering wheel with right hand.
2-Unlatch Driver's door.
3-Slide arm out along rear edge of door leaving door at rest against your arm pit!
4-Your forearm and about half of your upper arm will now be just as visible front/rear as the same arm sticking through a zippered slot.

Note: If you are holding the door wide open then the color of your vs the color of the door is not the real problem! :lol:

Maybe things are different in Maine but here in Wisconsin in the winter I don't try unzipping my CJ3B and CJ5 door windows to use arm signals. I do what I just explained above and have no visibilty issues. But then I was mostly Air Force! :wink:

Being Navy, I just added some turn signals. You two are gonna lose an arm or get frost bite one of these days..... :lol:
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Re: M38a1 canvas door mod

Post by Joe Gopan » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:22 pm

Your description of opening the door to signal does not pass the straight face test for Right or Left hand turns, just cracking the door restricts a persons reach, opening the door reduces the the silhouette of the drivers left arm.
I guess I gotta stick a door on my M-38A1 tomorrow and lean out of the Jeep to rest the edge of the open door in my armpit and then see if I can still see out the windshield. After close to 6 1/2 decades in Jeeps with canvas doors, one learns that hand signals and defensive driving are important.

Scroll up to Mike's lower pic to get a idea of the M-38A1 drivers view view when leaning out to place the door in one's armpit.
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