AMG M151A2 body number

[Barnii]

Yes, I think so, too. Is it possible to set an approximate date of manufacture by reference to the number on the spare tyre carrier 13908?

[Rickf]

There is no denying that frame plate, I will continue to try to find it but all of the C series are 1977 from what I have seen. That would have been the 12867th vehicle built in 1977, I believe. I will get back into this later today I hope. It is too cold outside for these old bones. I am still working on that spare tire carrier number it is lower that any I have record of. At least the records I have found so far.

[Barnii]

Thank you for your help. I'll be waiting for information from you. Thank you in advance.

[jeep!_r]

Hey guys sorry I have been MIA for awhile on my own thread. Here is what I know....the vehicle has no data plate, and the only concrete thing I can state for sure that cant be removed is the body number. From there I have been hoping to extrapolate a serial number. I think year manufactured would be of less importance to the military, whereas a military contract # would be more important when the military serviced/repaired the vehicles. I could be wrong on that. Either way I think we can establish from what I have read that it is a AMG 71 contract. I have some pictures that help tie this to what could be a 1974 built m151. I was intentionally vague on the past history that I received from the owner-always trying to verify his story with what the vehicle shows. I purchased it from a gentlemen in his late 80s or early 90s. He served with the jeep at Camp Lejune and retired in the late 70s. That being said it does have what appears to be provisional holes for a snorkel on the fender. Hard to paint places like under the dash the vehicle is in battleship gray. Question-would a USMC jeep been received by the navy in battleship grey and then painted USMC green? Or would the original primer have been grey and it just did not get good coverage from the factory to USMC green?? Following you can see pictures that the horn is dated 5 of 74, and the engine block looks to be cast in 7 74. That would make sense that it would be later in the 71 contract assuming the body number were assigned sequentially. Also reading on Dan's website, that emission cannister didnt start till April of 73. Which would date the horn and engine casting correctly. Again, not saying these items are for sure since they can be changed out, but more and more it seems to lend itself to that in my limited knowledge. Since it looks like the next AMG is a 1976 contract, it also lends a stopping point to the 71 contract attributes. Did the marine corps universally apply "registration" numbers in these years? I have seen a number of pictures with the marine corps applying some sort of hood number to m151s. Perhaps I am assuming the body numbers were sequential, but with that in mind I wouldn't mind being able to get a finer idea of serial number, hood number(if applicable), and DOD. Thanks for your guys' help.

"I just did a whole bunch of looking around and I think Hambone is correct, that di have a canister on it. Is there a hold in the cowl to the left of the master cylinder looking towards the cowl? I is possible that someone converted to an older tank and lines. Nothing wrong with that but really screws up finding a date."---Yes it does have a hole to the left of the master cylinder


Some pics regarding fuel lines. Clips pic is on driver side going up tranny tunnel, rubber line on passenger side by seat, other fuel line is passenger side foot area going to fuel pump and last metal line is between seats


Driver fender with holes for snorkel. Also has a few holes in the vertical driver side pillar dont know what these holes are for??


Engine Casting and Valve cover tag and horn

[jeep!_r]

I guess I never can figure out how to post stuff without it re-arranging upsides down and backwards

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grey paint, 2nd firewall pic, and air cleaner emission lines??

[jeep!_r]

Engine casting #

[Rickf]

jeepr, This thread is getting very confusing with three people all asking for info on the same thread. Can I ask you and Makto to open new threads so each of you can all be addressed on separate threads? It is impossible for me to keep all of this in my head at once.

[jeep!_r]

jeepr, This thread is getting very confusing with three people all asking for info on the same thread. Can I ask you and Makto to open new threads so each of you can all be addressed on separate threads? It is impossible for me to keep all of this in my head at once.

I can, but it is my thread regarding body number AMG 48195.

Anyone posting about a2 body numbers-collaborating info is helpful and welcome.

[Rickf]

Good point, It is your thread to begin with but put yourself in my position after two others got involved. I know in the beginning group of posts I was posting info to the wrong people not realizing there were more than one at that time. I will continue to help as I can but I honestly cannot make heads or tails of most of those pics.

[jeep!_r]

Good point, It is your thread to begin with but put yourself in my position after two others got involved. I know in the beginning group of posts I was posting info to the wrong people not realizing there were more than one at that time. I will continue to help as I can but I honestly cannot make heads or tails of most of those pics.

I understand your POV, and it being confusing, but it is also straight forward. The forum turns the pics upside down for whatever reason-a horn dated 74, a engine block cast in 74, clips on the driver side tunnel that I assume hold that vapor line going to the tank from the emissions. Pretty well already established through Dan's website it is a contract 71 AMG body with a late number. My simply question is if there is a database out there-is there a correlation between AMG body numbers, DOD, hood number etc.

I appreciate your time and effort rick, and I am not downplaying that. But I actually would push back on starting new threads as the more people that respond the better data set we get. Having 15 people post individual threads mean you have to read ever thread to gain the knowledge. Maybe a sticky thread should be started for 71 Contract AMGs showing body numbers and correlation. Especially helpful getting A2 owners that have valid dataplates that would correlate body number and actual serial numbers. You said muttguru kept little info on A2s so I dont know if that means he didn't keep body numbers. But this is what posted on this thread have indicated in regards to body numbers

Barnii- # 13908 no emissions, wrong 1968 Dataplate; looking for correlation to AMG# to DOD etc
Barnii- second a2 no AMG body#-later contract tag on tranny tunnel. Rick stated- 12867th vehicle built in 1977
Hambone- #29362 late 72, early 73 unknown for sure(assuming no data plate)
Makoto- #14631 horn and engine block stamped 73, no emissions(assuming early 73 if in april emissions started);kaiser DP not correct
jeep!_r-#48195- engine block and horn stamped 74, emissions provisions, but converted to no emissions, no data plate. Left service in late 70s one owner since, very good shape

Did I miss anyone??

[Barnii]

Hello Jeep!_r,
you're right it's your thread. I apologize for using your thread to determine the production date for my M151A2.
Barnii

[Rickf]

Good point, It is your thread to begin with but put yourself in my position after two others got involved. I know in the beginning group of posts I was posting info to the wrong people not realizing there were more than one at that time. I will continue to help as I can but I honestly cannot make heads or tails of most of those pics.

I understand your POV, and it being confusing, but it is also straight forward. The forum turns the pics upside down for whatever reason-a horn dated 74, a engine block cast in 74, clips on the driver side tunnel that I assume hold that vapor line going to the tank from the emissions. Pretty well already established through Dan's website it is a contract 71 AMG body with a late number. My simply question is if there is a database out there-is there a correlation between AMG body numbers, DOD, hood number etc.

I appreciate your time and effort rick, and I am not downplaying that. But I actually would push back on starting new threads as the more people that respond the better data set we get. Having 15 people post individual threads mean you have to read ever thread to gain the knowledge. Maybe a sticky thread should be started for 71 Contract AMGs showing body numbers and correlation. Especially helpful getting A2 owners that have valid dataplates that would correlate body number and actual serial numbers. You said muttguru kept little info on A2s so I dont know if that means he didn't keep body numbers. But this is what posted on this thread have indicated in regards to body numbers

Barnii- # 13908 no emissions, wrong 1968 Dataplate; looking for correlation to AMG# to DOD etc
Barnii- second a2 no AMG body#-later contract tag on tranny tunnel. Rick stated- 12867th vehicle built in 1977
Hambone- #29362 late 72, early 73 unknown for sure(assuming no data plate)
Makoto- #14631 horn and engine block stamped 73, no emissions(assuming early 73 if in april emissions started);kaiser DP not correct
jeep!_r-#48195- engine block and horn stamped 74, emissions provisions, but converted to no emissions, no data plate. Left service in late 70s one owner since, very good shape

Did I miss anyone??

Ok, How many databases are out there? Who knows? I know of three published ones. Dan Parmley has put together a website with a lot of useful info on it. A lot of that info came from Ken the MuttGuru and Dan organized it. There is the database from Carnac that can possibly show where your 151 was in service but the problem is that there is no accurate way to determine the UIC from back then. And Carnac will be the first to tell you that a lot of that data is inaccurate because Private Dumbo who entered it did not like his job so he put whatever popped into his head. And then there is Ken the MuttGurrus database. That and the associated paperwork is indisputably the most comprehensive set of works on the M151.
You spouted off a lot of info in that last post but most of it is what I already pointed out. You do seem to know quite a bit about the 151 but does anyone know who you are? We all know who Dan is and most everyone knows me but you are only a username? Do you hold one of the looked for data bases? And to answer your question about the number/date correlation the answer is yes but very limited on the A2. Ken explained that to me but I am not going to get into that long discussion here.

[jeep!_r]

Hello Jeep!_r,
you're right it's your thread. I apologize for using your thread to determine the production date for my M151A2.
Barnii

Barni, I have not a problem whatsoever with you asking about your m151's on the thread. I've learned a lot by others questions so ask away. The whole point in the thread is to learn more about the m151 and specifically amg m151a2 and the body numbers and correlation. I wouldn't post anything if I didn't want others opinion. So thanks for posting

[jeep!_r]

Ok, How many databases are out there? Who knows? I know of three published ones. Dan Parmley has put together a website with a lot of useful info on it. A lot of that info came from Ken the MuttGuru and Dan organized it. There is the database from Carnac that can possibly show where your 151 was in service but the problem is that there is no accurate way to determine the UIC from back then. And Carnac will be the first to tell you that a lot of that data is inaccurate because Private Dumbo who entered it did not like his job so he put whatever popped into his head. And then there is Ken the MuttGurrus database. That and the associated paperwork is indisputably the most comprehensive set of works on the M151.
You spouted off a lot of info in that last post but most of it is what I already pointed out. You do seem to know quite a bit about the 151 but does anyone know who you are? We all know who Dan is and most everyone knows me but you are only a username? Do you hold one of the looked for data bases? And to answer your question about the number/date correlation the answer is yes but very limited on the A2. Ken explained that to me but I am not going to get into that long discussion here.

Rickf
I didn’t spout off info, I organized it. I know 3 people, 5 m151s is a lot to keep track of . You’ve been saying since the first page of this thread you were confused so just trying to be helpful
Me being just a username-please let me know when your assessment of me is over. It’s a privilege to be sized up by an person of your stature.
Dan’s website-at first, in your eyes it was totally wrong and now it has a lot of “useful info.” You are confusing me now. To me his site has been very forthcoming about information and its been a tool I’ve appreciated. m151.com spells out a lot of different info when you read through it, and I've appreciated it.

Who am I? I am a new M151 owner trying to do some research on my jeep. pretty straight forward. From the beginning of this thread Ive stated I have a body number and that is it. I am trying to find out more about it-SN range, hood number range, DOD all would be helpful. I can't state it any more simplified than that

[Rickf]

Ok, We did not get off on a very good note and that was mostly due to me. Sorry. But keep in mind I know where that info Dan has came from. I have all of it right here with me. I could tell you about a few of my conversations with Ken about that but it is not really going to accomplish anything. Same for the other people he mentioned as sources. They let it go so I will also. I had a medical problem with my eyes back in September and I have been waiting for 31/2 months to see a specialist to hopefully get me back to where I can read and function. I wanted to have all of that paperwork on shelves and in order by now but right now I cannot even build the shelves. Anymore conversation regarding the paperwork can be done by PM.