VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
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VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
Hi all!
A few months ago I was surprised to find out that the Ford radiator in my GPW 3606 was entirely painted black, with no remains of OD.
Yesterday, a G503 Facebook member showed pictures of his new VEP project, GPW 6735; that also clearly shows a black Ford radiator.
Have you guys found something similar?
Do you know of any factory or period pictures showing a VEP radiator?
My radiator has the original core, and has just black over the brass, the only repair I can see is a weld on the top tube, and it is unpainted.
A few months ago I was surprised to find out that the Ford radiator in my GPW 3606 was entirely painted black, with no remains of OD.
Yesterday, a G503 Facebook member showed pictures of his new VEP project, GPW 6735; that also clearly shows a black Ford radiator.
Have you guys found something similar?
Do you know of any factory or period pictures showing a VEP radiator?
My radiator has the original core, and has just black over the brass, the only repair I can see is a weld on the top tube, and it is unpainted.
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
My GPW12708 appears to have the original radiator and it is black, with no sign of OD on it at all.
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
Thank you Scott!
I also asked on the Fb G503 page, and what is amazing is that so far all VEP owners seem to have find black radiators
I also asked on the Fb G503 page, and what is amazing is that so far all VEP owners seem to have find black radiators
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
My 3/42 GPW is green, my 6/45 GPW has a Willys unit in black.
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I had an OD GPW Radiator, removed from a GPW. Gone now, long gone.
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
GPW 6008 has its original black radiator. Never been green.
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
i thought the basic rule was ford = black, willys = olive drab....
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
I have had a few OEM GPW radiators over thhe years in OD.
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
Actually the commonly accepted is Willys radiator = black (even when factory fitted to a Ford like on 43, 44 and 45 ones), and Ford radiators = green.awddouglas wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:46 pmi thought the basic rule was ford = black, willys = olive drab....
I was surprised to find the (F) radiator of GPW 3606 totally black and not overpainted; but it now seems that a majority of the VEP guys have also found their original radiator to be black.
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
Mine was black, but I painted it green, oops? Figured it was black because repairs were made to it and radiator shop painted it that way.
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
And there is always the chance that a radiator change was done during WWII that resulted in a GPW radiator being installed in an MB and vice versa. Do the Willys or Ford Drawings indicate that only O.D. or Black be used or can they be substituted for each other?
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Here is one with a BLACK radiator fresh from the Richmond, CA Ford plant:
Note that the radiator metal top tube is BLACK and the air crossover and carb air horn are OD. Also note that the radiator cap is NOT PAINTED.
Note that the radiator metal top tube is BLACK and the air crossover and carb air horn are OD. Also note that the radiator cap is NOT PAINTED.
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
The Ford GPW-8005-A2 radiator assembly drawing does not mention any color.Do the Willys or Ford Drawings indicate that only O.D. or Black be used or can they be substituted for each other?
I've checked the fan drawing for the color.
It's only written : "Paint see paint specification".
Do you have information about that Ford paint specification that could also apply to the radiator assy?
Yves
PS My Ford GPA radiator is also black.
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
Chuck Lutz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:25 amHere is one with a BLACK radiator fresh from the Richmond, CA Ford plant
This one is a late GPW, with a Willys style radiator, far from a VEP.
If someone finds a VEP engine shot....I think I have seen none until now!
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Re: VEP radiator color: black or Olive drab?
The very first ones had a Willys radiator on them,and also Willys style headlight arms...
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