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Re: New Project Transportation Equipment Company Trailer?

Post by Joe Gopan » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:39 am

The 229th may have used misc brake shoe, clutch facing, etc., brass rivets. It is common to encounter brake shoe rivets on many of the depot rebuild M-38 and M-38A1 Data Plates. These rivets were inexpensive and readily available.
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Post by Peewee » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:54 am

After a half year of work break, I had the time to work on my trailer projekt agian, that turns out as a bantam T-3 trailer, with the frame Numer 88223.

After cleaning all the screws I found out, that 90% where BC marked (not E.C.), one was E.C. the others where not marked at all or metric replacement screws. All the PAL nuts where still in place.
The upper shock mounts where screwed to the frame and Bantam style, one of the lower was Willys.
The axle has a weld seam in the middle, the brake backing plates are Bendix brand and three of the four brake shoes too.

Now I´m working on the combat wheels. My question is, wich tire brand was OEM to a Bantam trailer Firestone or Goodyear?
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Re: New Project Transportation Equipment Company Trailer?

Post by Peewee » Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:29 pm

Here are some pictures of the work progress.

Last year I removed the frame from the body and cut out the bottom.

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All "small parts" are already sandblasted primed and painted.

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Brake drum casting
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The first items are sandblasted and primed
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Lunette markings
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Lunette casting marking
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Landing leg casting marking
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Now the "small items" are ready
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Original ARROW tail lights
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CB reflector housings with original Grotelite No.100 reflectors (Thank you Ben :wink:)
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BC marked screws
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Bendix brake backing plate and brake shoe marking
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Axle with welded seam
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Here ist the next step, the combat wheels

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Re: New Project Transportation Equipment Company Trailer?

Post by Chuck Lutz » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:36 pm

Sven...have you considered finding some brake drums for your trailer that are used and probalby close to or visibly too WORN to use safely on a jeep to put on it? Most trailers show up with drums with little or no wear that have never been turned down by a brake shop. Those would be excellent drums to use on a Willys front axel! You can probably find some that are worn and the action of the handbrake on otherwise "worn out" drums is still good...I put "worn out" drums on my trailer and kept the excellent ones it came with for another project!

Your restoration is coming along really well...can't wait to see pics of your restoration on the tub and the tub floor.
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Re: New Project Transportation Equipment Company Trailer?

Post by lucakiki » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:42 am

Svenn, I love your way of working! That is the way how we Italians imagine the German restorers at work!
Did I ever send you a reprint of the SNL G-529 ?
Just let me know, if I did not.
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Re: New Project Transportation Equipment Company Trailer?

Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:24 pm

Sven....contact me by email....right now your Bantam looks to be a LATE 1943 DOD...

By the way....your TEC data plate does appear to be a copy!
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Re: New Project Transportation Equipment Company Trailer?

Post by Peewee » Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:53 pm

Hi Cuck, sent you a email, good hint with the break drums. I did not think about it, until now. :wink:


lucakiki wrote:Svenn, I love your way of working! That is the way how we Italians imagine the German restorers at work!
Did I ever send you a reprint of the SNL G-529 ?
Just let me know, if I did not.
Luca thank you! No you dit not, do you have still one availabel :?:

What will be the better choice of tires Goodyear or Firestone brand. Anyone a clue? On pitures I saw both.
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Re: New Project Transportation Equipment Company Trailer?

Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:25 pm

I'm not sure what tires would have been in use in late 1943 on a Bantam...if it was a Willys, I would suggest whatever tire the MB guys think would be correct for a late 1953 MB...The late 1943 Bantam is unknown to me for tire suppliers though.

What pics do you have that show Firestone and Goodyear on trailers?
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Re: New Project Transportation Equipment Company Trailer?

Post by lowbonnet » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:26 am

Wow Sven, very nice resto photo's... I have also a TEC trailer... It needs to be put together. I have also removed all parts, removed the frame... so everything is sandblasted and painted very well... but I have no time yet to put it together. I will check for my numbers, but I am sure Chuck already got them.
Here is an image of another TEC nomenclature found on the internet

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Transportation Equipment Co. T1, 1/4 ton trailer

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Re: New Project TEC Trailer? That Turns out as a Bantam T3!

Post by Peewee » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:04 am

Yes, I´m in contact with Chuck, we are working at the numbers. :wink:
Chuck Lutz wrote:I'm not sure what tires would have been in use in late 1943 on a Bantam...if it was a Willys, I would suggest whatever tire the MB guys think would be correct for a late 1953 MB...The late 1943 Bantam is unknown to me for tire suppliers though.

What pics do you have that show Firestone and Goodyear on trailers?
Hi Chuck,

I don´t have collected the fotos. I saw them by browsing through the web and books.

For example the pics of the trailer from Jons site http://jeepdraw.com/

Tires with the more rounded Firestone tire tread pattern:
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Here is the TM example with the more sharp pointed Goadyear tire tread pattern:
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Re: New Project TEC Trailer? That Turns out as a Bantam T3!

Post by lowbonnet » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:02 pm

What happened to the bumper of the last image? :?

By the way, I checked the ACM number on my TEC chassis and it is 69392 together with the 229th nomenclature (same date range as mentioned in previous posts). It has an empty nomenclature. I got the trailer from Wildenberg and it had CM numbers on it, but I think that was not original. I have replaced the floor and the lower front section since it was rotten.

So Chuck... is that a correct number for a TEC trailer? Or is it a Bantam/MB-T ?
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Re: New Project TEC Trailer? That Turns out as a Bantam T3!

Post by Peewee » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:23 pm

lowbonnet wrote:What happened to the bumper of the last image? :?

Look at Jeep Draw. Jon is asking for more Info about this.

Note: In the TM Trailer Photo above right, the Trailer is missing the rear cross member.
This may have only happened in the first batch of trailers made by Willys. If you have such a trailer, please contact me.


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Re: New Project TEC Trailer? That Turns out as a Bantam T3!

Post by Chuck Lutz » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:24 pm

1) the very first MB-Ts had NO rear crossmember on them....all Bantam's did.
2) of the TEN Trans. Eq. Co. trailers in my data base....only THREE owners have thusfar reported the ACM numbers...121xxx, 141xxx, 149xxx.
3) a trailer with a 66332 (with Bantam characteristics) would be an August 1943 Bantam and no TECs were produced until 1945.
4) the photo of a "Bantam" in Australia with "Goodyears" on them may very well be correct if in fact that is a Bantam in the photo.
5) the photo in the TM with "Firestones" is probably an MB-T (even if it is in the Bantam TM 10-1281)
6) as we are seeing....there appear to be some replacement TEC data plates that are found on other trailer mfgers tubs....so comparison to a REAL one is probably a good idea.
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Re: New Project TEC Trailer? That Turns out as a Bantam T3!

Post by Peewee » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:15 am

Chuck Lutz wrote: 4) the photo of a "Bantam" in Australia with "Goodyears" on them may very well be correct if in fact that is a Bantam in the photo.
5) the photo in the TM with "Firestones" is probably an MB-T (even if it is in the Bantam TM 10-1281)
The other way arround, or?

4) the photo of a "Bantam" in Australia with "Firestones" on them may very well be correct if in fact that is a Bantam in the photo.
5) the photo in the TM with "Goodyears" is probably an MB-T (even if it is in the Bantam TM 10-1281)
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Re: New Project Transportation Equipment Company Trailer?

Post by lucakiki » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:33 am

Peewee wrote:
Luca thank you! No you dit not, do you have still one availabel :?:

I will have it printed and will send it to you, my friend! In a week time or so. :)
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