M151 A2 Tires

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M151 A2 Tires

Post by Sgtsheets » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:49 am

I would like to replace the tires on my A2 with NATO tread tires
They only come in 600 x 16. Where the standard is 700 X 16 will this cause any problems?
Has anyone had experience using 600 X 16 on the A2 ?


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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by svramselaar » Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:38 am

hi

the 600x16 are smaller at diameter as the 700x16
if you rol a 600x16 one time it go not so far as the 700x16
so if you drive aboud 2500 engine revs the mutt go slower with the 600x16
the tacho give a wrong speed
if you can them from holland there a several dealers they have the 700x16 nato
see if there is a company at maine if they get items at containers from holland the shipment can be low

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by W. Winget » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:49 am

What George said...and
narrower tires on a 4x4 vehicle tend to put more ground pressure (on the ground...) so trafficability (ability to go places) may be reduced as the tires sink in VS carrying the load of the vehicle as designed.
Especially if you want to go in mud/swamp/snow, etc.
This is why the engineers went with larger tires after testing the vehicle VS keeping the same tire as the WWII jeep. More weight needed more tire to distribute that weight.
Might look into Wade Wallace in Texas
Or Miller Tire Co. for a tread pattern you prefer.
US military jeeps stationed overseas did not use NATO tires just because they were overseas by the way.

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by markrdje » Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:23 am

I thought the skinny tires went better off road/mud
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Rickf » Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:48 am

They go down better! As in sink in the mud :twisted: :lol: The 6.00's will work but they are going to look pretty funny as skinny and short as they are. And as George said, they will drastically alter the gear ratio and make you a lot slower than you were before. The speedometer will read 60 but you will be going 45.Or something like that, I would have to do all the math to figure out the exact difference.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Rickf » Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:50 am

Aren't the 7:00-16 NATO pattern tires just regrooved regular NDCC's. You could buy a grooving tool and do your own.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by W. Winget » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:48 am

Siping, not regrooving.
Plenty of info especially with CJ2A forum and Steel Soldiers out there, but it always comes back to:
Where are you driving your jeep that you need that type of performance upgrade VS buying tires for that weather/terrain in the 1st place.

Now seeking "NATO" tires because you want a specific look may be different.
We do/did have some NDCC's in the US with siping done on them from the factory. It all depended on the contract the US government made at the time, most of these I saw were 70's-80's vintage 3/4T and usually ended up on trailers or Deuce and a Half's, so 9:00 x 16's and 9:00 x 20's from memory.
I might be able to walk around and find a siped 7:00 x 16, in my scrap pile, but between the rain and cold...meeh.

Original poster might get more specific with a photo of the pattern he seeks, or desired purpose and receive clearer recommendations. :idea:
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by muttguru » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:47 am

These are the 700x16 Euro-tread tyres that were used in Germany and maybe Holland also. They were manufactured like this but if you have access to a siping tool, you could probably do something similar.

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And 600x16s on an M151 will look silly (or worse).

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Rickf » Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:45 am

Those are what I was thinking of.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by svramselaar » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:39 am

hi
in holland and germany
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are a lot of them

nato was using them becouse the bad wheather
this type is running better with rain and snow

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Rickf » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:33 am

Is that a years worth of tires for you George? :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by dpcd67 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:44 am

I just happened to see this; anyone who thinks cutting grooves into a NDCC tire is fooling themselves into a false sense of security. Absolutely the worst tire design in history, (and I have ridden and driven on them for a million miles in M151s), for some reason we used them for decades after civilians had safe all season radial tires.
Anyway, they are just for looks; do not expect them to perform in any kind of bad weather. The old theory that they would dig down and grab onto a solid surface is complete nonsense; they do dig down, and then you are stuck. Of course I have them on all my jeeps; just for restoration purposes. I actually have Michelin XL radials on all my Dodges, and they are mil spec too.
Have to add that there is no such thing as a mutt. Only to civilian collectors who never used one in service. No hate mail; I know the history.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by W. Winget » Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:59 am

Fumiest line I've heard since the week after the election when DHS claimed no hacking was done ....followed by the DoD being hacked...
"Have to add that there is no such thing as a mutt. Only to civilian collectors who never used one in service. No hate mail; I know the history."
A Flat earth society member...
All the proof you need but cannot read:
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Saying something doesn't exist doesn't change the facts.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by dpcd67 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:10 pm

Yes, I have read all those documents. NONE are the Government Type Classification and Nomenclature documents. All are just magazine articles and anecdotes calling it a mutt, just because Ford used it once. And a film is not the place for documenting nomenclature either.
Only one agency is tasked with the official nomenclature of vehicles. Was LOGSA but I think they changed their name. I was in TACOM on the M8 AGS development team; involved in what we call and name stuff.
It isn't a mutt, and that is not any official acronym. I know it upsets some people who like to call them than and of course, they can and do, just keep in mind that it is a nickname, not official Government data.
Can't change facts on that and I just like to be factual. Call them what you want to; No one who had them in service ever called them that, because it isn't an official name. I never say it does not exist; it definitely does; in the minds of civilian collectors.
Not in the files of official Acronyms.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by W. Winget » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:12 pm

Fairly obvious you did not read through the thread.
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