M151 A2 Tires

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Rickf » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:00 pm

Original NOS M-151 cylinder head in box. Note box identification. Who named the boxes?

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Sgtsheets » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:13 pm

Thank you all for the input. I never called it a mutt either, but there you have it.
The idea behind the NATO tread was to have a military looking tire that had some road traction. If you get a traction tire it doesn't look military and the NDCC is not good on hard roads. Maybe siping will improve that a little.

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Rickf » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:20 am

I never called it a Mutt either but when faced with the paperwork, And the military's love of acronyms, I go along with it. I still don't use the name for the most part but it is what it is.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Pursifull » Fri May 14, 2021 5:36 am

Rickf wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:00 pm
Original NOS M-151 cylinder head in box. Note box identification. Who named the boxes?

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I'd like to buy an M151 cylinder head.

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Rickf » Fri May 14, 2021 12:50 pm

PM sent.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Tech3140 » Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:46 pm

Just jumping in here....
My first M151A1 was called a M151A1. Not mutt or M.U.T.T..
M151A1 or M151 or A1 or A2.

Didn’t like the term mutt.

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by W. Winget » Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:43 pm

Really do not care what you call your individual M151 series vehicle, it's still a MUTT, all the internet talk won't change the factual history we have dug up already in previous posts.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Walter » Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:10 am

Good Afternoon Everyone:

I think we are talking about two different levels on nomenclature for the M-151 series of vehicles.

One is what may well have been some official designation, and the second being what the normal user of the particular vehicle would have called it. W.Winget (I wish I knew your first name) and those who insist that the M-151are MUTT's, could very well be correct as the official designator of that series of vehicle. I have not done that research and would, or could not adequately challenge their position regarding the official designation.

However, the ordinary GI, who used all sorts military equipment on a daily basis, regardless of branch of service, have always had a unique ability to rename any given piece of equipment to better describe it from their perspective. And while that given nickname may have never made it into the official lexicon, it could and in many cases become what most everyone called the particular piece of equipment. As an unrelated example, the Boeing B-52 Bomber has the nickname of BUFF, an acronym for Big Ugly Fat F(ellow). Obviously they did not really call it a Fellow! Just as obvious, I seriously doubt that neither Boeing or the USAF officially refer to that aircraft as BUFF.

Now, I'm just an 'ole, knuckle dragging, Blue Suiter, having spent 4 years in the Air Force from '71-'75 and, am also clueless as to what the USN/USMC/USA folks would have called them! I spent three full years working almost exclusively on various M-Series tactical military vehicles, including a vehicle that was consistently referred to as a 'jeep'. This jeep was the M-151A1 both the MRC107/108 FAC or radio jeeps, as well as the plain jane version. At Koon-Ni, in addition to the captain's hard top jeep, we also had an M-718 ambulance jeep that had no litter racks and one that we used as a range vehicle, even though it had a red cross canvas top. No where, and at no time did I ever hear of them being referred to as MUTT's, Everyone called them jeeps, regardless of rank. I still have my original "Government Motor Vehicle Operator's Identification Card". For those who are not familiar with them from that era, the back of the license listed each vehicle the operator was allowed to drive. Although they did not call them a jeep on that document, they were also not designated as a MUTT either. Mine reads TRK M151 1/4 ton.

One of the units I was assigned to was a DASC, Direct Air Support Center. Their official mission was to coordinate and facilitate the air support between the FAC's either in the field or in the air, and the fighter bases. Over time I developed a fascination with Forward Air Control operations and how my role in the DASDC fit into the bigger picture. I have read several combat memoirs from the Vietnam era. In those books, I dont ever recall reading anything about MUTT's. These books included some of the more creative chicanery, of the relatively common actively of stealing jeeps from other services and the 'restoration' of a jeep by taking the pieces and parts from the bone yards, building an off book jeep. They were always called jeeps.

It was not until I started restoring and collecting HMV's did I ever hear of them referred to as MUTT's

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Rickf » Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:49 pm

I am not sure anyone called them MUTTs in service. But the fact of the argument is that the acronym has been there since the beginning. Whether it was used or not is moot. It has always been there, and in official capacity obviously from looking at the boxes on the NOS heads I had. I never used it nor heard it when I was in stateside or in Vietnam. I was Airborne so I never rode around in them, my transport had rotors on it. They were just another jeep to me back then.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by W. Winget » Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:24 pm

Ricks on point here, just like the Deuce and a Half was called the Eager Beaver, that name didn't flow into service with GI's.
The point here is it is NOT an Internet naming convention, it WAS the designation by multiple historical documents.
I called it a Jeep or M151 I'm sure while serving both overseas and, in the states, which would P.O. any WWII "jeep" owner for calling a MUTT a Jeep, just like calling a HUMVEE a Jeep doesn't fit, but people still try to call it that on occasion.

We have a multi-page reference posting on these "facts"
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=307265&p=1786691&h ... 8#p1786691
and suffice it to say I don't care what anyone calls their vehicle, but the historical designation was and is M.U.T.T. way before anyone conceived of the internet, and we cannot sweep it under the rug.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Rickf » Fri Feb 25, 2022 6:38 pm

Multipurpose Utility Tactical Truck . That was the official designation.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by Tech3140 » Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:55 am

Just my 2 cents worth, I collect and have a number of P.S. Magazines from the 50s through the 90s. I’ve seen the 151 called 1/4 ton’er. I don’t remember anywhere in the series referring the M151 as a mutt.
But, I can see why other people called the M.U.T.T. A mutt.

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by W. Winget » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:41 pm

Check the posted link, PS Mag Connie Rad called it a MUTT, good enough for me.
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Marines call a 4x4 a "6bys" :?: I suspect there's no relation with this post about jeeps/MUTTS/M151's.
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Re: M151 A2 Tires

Post by markrdje » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:36 am

No the deuce 'n half was called 6x, not the m151s(were called jeeps, never 4x4, never mutts)
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