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Pre War Plymouth

Post by Stouttrout » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:30 am

I have been trying info on Staff cars used before 1941. I am having a hard time locating anything. I have a document 1938 Plymouth 4 door Sedan that was used as a Staff car and I would like to restore it back to original like condition. Luckily this car has been in storage for many years and is in fair unmolested condition. however, the car has been completely disassembled with good intentions and never rebuilt. I am hoping to be able to find someone with one so I can compare. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Pre War Plymouth

Post by Stouttrout » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:21 am

Wow silence on this one, huh?

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Post by Stouttrout » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:27 pm

My 6x6's are for sale. As much as enjoy driving them, an opportunity came along that I could not pass on. A couple of of weeks ago I found a true barn find. One of those things you hear about but never think it is true. I held off saying much about it until I could better confirm it is what it was said to be.

In 1938 a newly appointed 53 year old Colonel is transferred to Fort Clark, Texas to assume Regimental command of the 5th infantry, Colonel George S Patton. This would prompt the Fort to purchase a new car for the Colonel. The new Staff Car would be a 1938 Plymouth P6 Limousine. The Fort closed in June 1944 and was completely deactivated in 1946. At that time the Staff Car went into storage. The fort was sold to Brown and Root for salvage. The car survived this and sold to Fort Shepphard in Wichita Falls for their museum where it remained in storage until 1979. In 1979 the musuem no longer having a place to store the car, sold it to a civilian maintenance worker as scrap. It would once again be put into storage, get shifted around and be taken apart. A restoration would be started on it but it would never be completed.

This is were it sits now. It is in pieces but it is all there. The body is in excellent condition the engine was rebuilt but the condition is currently unknown. It is still Olive Drab in color, what is left and the front has been sanded and primered. My goal will be to finish it in five years. Little Jeep building for while. I hope to restore it back to original condition.

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This is the only other 1938 i can find that was put into service. This is in England now and is in AVG colors.

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Post by cessna » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:57 pm

I will have to double check, but I may have some two nice front bucket seats out of a 1938 Plymouth. Should know by tommorrow. They came out of my brother in law's which was hot rodded.
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Post by gpsigler@mwii.net » Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:11 am

My car is a 41 plymouth so I can't directly compare to yours but I can offer some info on how to get parts.

-Search on e-bay under 1938 plymouth
-Andy Bernbaum has lots of stuff http://oldmoparts.com/Default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-Robert Motors http://www.robertsmotorparts.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-For exhaust try Waldron Exhaust http://waldronexhaust.com/shop/index.ph ... =61_52_352" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-Plymouth Forum http://plymouthbulletin.com/smf/index.p ... ru5k6bfho4&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-Lindsay McConnell has lots of parts and advice McConnell, Lindsay [plymouth@consolidated.net]

Those should get you started. There are other sources depending on what you need. Let me know if you need something they don't have and I'll search somemore.

Great find, congrats.
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Post by Utah GPW » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:46 am

Hello, You should check out plymouthbulletin.com,and consider joining the Plymouth Owners club.It has been in existence since 1957,and puts out a fantastic magazine,with lots of ads, color photos,and there are technical advisors that will help you with questions about your car.They also have annual meets with large swap meet areas.I have been a member for quite a few years and have always enjoyed it.I own a 1947 Plymouth 4 Dr. Sedan that my Dad purchased in 1952.Ed P.S. I seem to remember that in the movie Tora Tora Tora there are scenes of a restored 1938 Plymouth staff car

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Post by Gordon_M » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:51 am

Here's the other 3/4 shot I took of that Plymouth in 2002 at Beltring, though the sign on it did say it was a '37, not a '38;

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It was for sale at the time and has probably changed hands, but I have another image with the phone numbers of the guy who was selling it in 2002 in case you want to try to get in touch? I don't know if it was originally army or if he just marked it that way, but it was nice.

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Post by SmarT » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:12 am

Very nice! I have a 37 Dodge D5 sedan I'm turning into a staff car. Ebay has been a great source for parts. If you are patient and look often enough, you can find most anything you need. Also check out http://www.ply33.com/parts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. It will give you some NAPA numbers for various parts. Can you email me some more pictures of the carb and linkages, please? There are some things missing on mine, but I haven't had much luck in reference photos. Thanks and good luck!
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Post by gpsigler@mwii.net » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:02 pm

Hi....re: throttle linkage

My 41 is not a standard setup so I've looked for other pictures. Here is one which might help http://wn.com/1940_Plymouth_Flathead_En ... 6_Cylinder" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also, Andy Burnbaum has linkage packages for 37-52 plymouths and other MOPARS. The price is about $45. His website is http://oldmoparts.com/Default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is a site with a picture that might help.
http://jalopnik.com/5352384/engine-of-t ... athead-six" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by SmarT » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:35 am

Thank you Gary. :)
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Re: Pre War Plymouth

Post by AVG » Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:15 pm

I have the manifest of vehicles the AVG used.

They had a 38 plymouth it looks like used for mechanics.
They used 2 1940 plymouths for sure, 1 was painted black and the other a flat OD; maybe a third unless the black was repainted OD with an American flag painted on back. I have film of this as well.

Chennault's staff car looks to be a 1942 Chevrolet sedan after the 40 plymouth was used.(AVG 50 and AVG 75 were the two Plymouths)

For sure: 3 chevrolet sedan staff cars, 2 plymouth staff cars, 3 older studebaker sedan staff cars.

Hope this helps. 8)
'37 Dodge D5 Staff Car
'41 Willys MB #108139 DOD 12-31-41 "Ding Hao!"
'43 IHC USMC M24 #7523 DOD 12-9-43 "Semper Fi!"
'39 Plymouth P8 (SOLD)
'40 Plymouth P10 (SOLD)
'41 Bantam BRC 40 (SOLD)
'43 Willys SAS (SOLD)

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