GPW 68901

If you have an unrestored WWII jeep, we would like to see pictures, and hear your comments. NO EBAY or COMMERCIAL SALES.
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GPW 68901

Post by 17thAirborne » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:32 pm

If all goes well with the deal I will drag this home. It is an unrestored GPW SN 68901 DoD 15 October 1942. The data plates match the frame, the engine is GPW, but I do not have confirmation if it matches as well. The data plate is twice stamped with SN so it is from the Chester PA plant. The frame SN had the GPW on top of the SN.

SHows heavy NM, dry climate, ranch use, with lots of dents and dings, bad windshield and the rear panel partially cut out for a tailgate, but none installed. Headlights and marker lights are available, horn and air filter missing as is the starter. Some rust, but not bad. It will sit in NM until gas prices drop (Post election)

I will make room in the barn for this one so I will move a GPW frame, body, fenders and a few other parts, but I'll post those for sale soon.
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frame no a.jpg
engine a.jpg
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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 70th Division » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:52 pm

17thAirborne wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:32 pm
If all goes well with the deal I will drag this home. It is an unrestored GPW SN 68901 DoD 15 October 1942. The data plates match the frame, the engine is GPW, but I do not have confirmation if it matches as well. The data plate is twice stamped with SN so it is from the Chester PA plant. The frame SN had the GPW on top of the SN.

SHows heavy NM, dry climate, ranch use, with lots of dents and dings, bad windshield and the rear panel partially cut out for a tailgate, but none installed. Headlights and marker lights are available, horn and air filter missing as is the starter. Some rust, but not bad. It will sit in NM until gas prices drop (Post election)

I will make room in the barn for this one so I will move a GPW frame, body, fenders and a few other parts, but I'll post those for sale soon.

front shot a.jpg
frame no a.jpg
engine a.jpg
data plate1a.jpg

Hello Oz,

What a great find there !!
A real NM beauty :D :D
Keep us posted, its nice to see another Penn. made GPW.
Always nice to see a new discovery, like a lost treasure !


I have a Penn. GPW, script Ford but it was stripped of the engine and transmission.
Frame is good, but body needs work.


Yes post election hopefully gas will be under $10 a gallon !!

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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 17thAirborne » Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:34 am

Hello Ray,
Thanks for commenting. It may be months before I can do some detailed image work on this one, but hopefully by next Saturday it will be safe in my friend's warehouse in Roswell.

Probably wishfull thinking that gas prices will be better in the fall, but one could only hope. Then again, that would be a whole thread that would quickly be shut down. :wink:

The frame stamping is interesting. I was going to say I had never seen an over/under stamping, but there are a few posted on the G:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=304715&p=1773025&hi ... e#p1773025

It seems that the Chester "1" stamp with the serif on the bottom differs from the rest of Ford's which looked like a capital letter I with serif on top and bottom. I can't tell if there is a STAR after the last numeral.
frame no a1.jpg
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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 70th Division » Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:53 am

17thAirborne wrote:
Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:34 am
Hello Ray,
Thanks for commenting. It may be months before I can do some detailed image work on this one, but hopefully by next Saturday it will be safe in my friend's warehouse in Roswell.

Probably wishfull thinking that gas prices will be better in the fall, but one could only hope. Then again, that would be a whole thread that would quickly be shut down. :wink:

The frame stamping is interesting. I was going to say I had never seen an over/under stamping, but there are a few posted on the G:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=304715&p=1773025&hi ... e#p1773025

It seems that the Chester "1" stamp with the serif on the bottom differs from the rest of Ford's which looked like a capital letter I with serif on top and bottom. I can't tell if there is a STAR after the last numeral.
frame no a1.jpg

Hello,

That is an interesting observation !
That may be a clue to determine the factory on a lone frame ?

Hopefully after the election, pod people wont be in charge in congress, and oil prices will be brought down again.
That was a great movie !

That alone is creating 90 percent of the inflation.
Energy input goes into everything in a major way, especially food, everything is transported, over and over again.


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Ray

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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 17thAirborne » Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:59 am

Tom has enough data to discipher the factory from the frame stamping. If I remember correctly, he has compared enough of the stamps and methods with the data plates to come up with some correlations. The only one I am sure about is the over/under seems to match the double stamp SN on the data plate for Chester.

I received a few more shots to post.
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rear bed1.jpg
steering box1.jpg
steering wheel1.jpg
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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 17thAirborne » Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:10 am

A few things stand out to me for this mid-October 42 GPW:

Recess in grill top
Head bolts instead of studs
Hood grounding straps on outer two bolts
Rear panel reinforcement plates bolted on and not welded (Field Mod Kit)
Rib behind tool box
Anti-torque bar on LF spring
OD Sheller steering wheel
Long needle speedo
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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 17thAirborne » Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:22 am

Does anyone have any idea what these are? They are riveted (could be oval head screw) to both sides of the body.
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mysterya1.jpg
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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 70th Division » Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:25 am

17thAirborne wrote:
Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:10 am
A few things stand out to me for this mid-October 42 GPW:

Recess in grill top
Head bolts instead of studs
Hood grounding straps on outer two bolts
Rear panel reinforcement plates bolted on and not welded (Field Mod Kit)
Rib behind tool box
Anti-torque bar on LF spring
OD Sheller steering wheel
Long needle speedo
Hello Oz,

Very nice original features.
Definitely Chester with the data plate having the serial number stamped on there twice.

Don't look now, but I see another jeep in the background shot of the steering wheel :D :D

I am looking at your rear panel cut out, I have a 42 non script GPW from California that was cut the exact same way.
Looking at it, you may be able to do a very clean patch of that panel, leaving the original in position.
That is what I would do, get a new panel and cut out the missing section and weld it in, and grind it back, you wouldn't see any weld repairs.
All the original weld attaching it to the jeep would still be in place and looking good.
There is plenty of steel left around the cut out to really do a nice job !


Do you have any history on the jeep ?

Best Regards,
Ray

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Re: GPW 68901

Post by conrod6 » Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:25 am

Some sort of door mountings perhaps?

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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 70th Division » Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:28 am

17thAirborne wrote:
Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:22 am
Does anyone have any idea what these are? They are riveted (could be oval head screw) to both sides of the body.
mod detail.png
mysterya1.jpg
Those look like brackets for a winter top set up, to hold the door rods in position for the canvas side doors.

But I am not familiar with them, so a little research is needed to see if they are GPW/MB specific brackets.

The floors look to be in rust free shape as well :D :D

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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 17thAirborne » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:29 am

70th Division wrote:
Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:25 am

Hello Oz,

Very nice original features.
Definitely Chester with the data plate having the serial number stamped on there twice.

Don't look now, but I see another jeep in the background shot of the steering wheel :D :D

I am looking at your rear panel cut out, I have a 42 non script GPW from California that was cut the exact same way.
Looking at it, you may be able to do a very clean patch of that panel, leaving the original in position.
That is what I would do, get a new panel and cut out the missing section and weld it in, and grind it back, you wouldn't see any weld repairs.
All the original weld attaching it to the jeep would still be in place and looking good.
There is plenty of steel left around the cut out to really do a nice job !


Do you have any history on the jeep ?

Best Regards,
Ray
Ray I am looking forward to doing the forensic work on this. SHould be informative. There is another one in the background. It is a Jan 42 Willys SG. My friend purchased that one for later resale. I'll probably post it here for him as well.

I agree on the panel. I'll confer with you when I get to that point. They did not get harsh with the chop-job and left all the bracing in place. It will be a true test of my unworthy welding skills.

The rancher is about my age, so I am not sure if he has the original purchase history, but most likely from Walker AFB (509th Composite Wing) where my WC12 came from. There is a change that through the paint the Reg No. is available, but the bumpers look to be only rusty with no paint to light wet sand through. We'll see.
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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 17thAirborne » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:30 am

conrod6 wrote:
Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:25 am
Some sort of door mountings perhaps?

Barrie
I had not thought of that. They look to be manufactured, not fashioned so I thought it was some M-38 thing, late war or post war. Your comments make sense.
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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 17thAirborne » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:31 am

70th Division wrote:
Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:28 am
Those look like brackets for a winter top set up, to hold the door rods in position for the canvas side doors.

But I am not familiar with them, so a little research is needed to see if they are GPW/MB specific brackets.

The floors look to be in rust free shape as well :D :D

Best Regards,
Ray
Ray that jives with the other comment. Thanks. The fuel sump is pretty rusty and there are a few spots of hat chanel rust up through the floors. Will have to tackle that as well, but a good challenge for me.
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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 17thAirborne » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:37 am

Here is the picture of the SG he bought. I won't post any more here so as not to get the thread off track.
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Re: GPW 68901

Post by 70th Division » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:01 am

17thAirborne wrote:
Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:37 am
Here is the picture of the SG he bought. I won't post any more here so as not to get the thread off track.

SG1a.jpg
SG2a.jpg
Oz,

That looks like another desert queen !
Any serial number info ?
Might I suggest you bring a long trailer and bring them both back, as it will be easier to sell in Tennessee :D :D

Keep up your great work !


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