Willys MB 247060

If you have an unrestored WWII jeep, we would like to see pictures, and hear your comments. NO EBAY or COMMERCIAL SALES.
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Re: Willys MB 247060

Post by JNo » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:45 am

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Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:24 pm
Your engine is a post war based on the block casting as you suspected...It has a rebuild tag from Red River Arsenal in Texarkana, Texas.
So...at least the engine was in the USA on Dec. 12, 1952.

My guess is the jeep was i the USA in service at that time and received that engine and the assorted parts at the same time....or...

It was sold to a civilian after the war who purchased the engine separately at some point in time and installed it. Maybe at the same time that owner installed the other parts.

Bottom line is...it's not a Maltournee jeep at all, it was shipped to Europe by a previous civilian owner. If the French owner can tell you the history of his ownership you will learn more about this jeep than we can tell you outside of it NOT being a Maltournee (French Army) rebuild and that it was probably re-engine by a civilian in the USA...or maybe a military base shop.
Hello Chuck,
I agree with you. First of all isn't Maltournée jeep. I already had a M201 jeep in the past.
I agree too with your guess. I didn't think it was shipped to Europe by a previous owner. It's possible way but I'm septical. It's not rare to see Willys jeep with CJ engine in France. FYI in June 1952 SOFIA (la Société Financière Industrie et Automobile - a Hotchkiss subsidiary) gained a licence from Willys in the U.S.A. to manufacture both spares and jeeps as Willys Overland France (WOF). Sofia also sold CJ2A jeep. It's possible way 2 but I'm not sure.
I've already contacted 2 older owners in France but I'm not finished.For this moment I couldn't have a good explanation.
I'm going to contact French administrative services to know the different license plate were existed. I hope to find the real history...Thanks
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Re: Willys MB 247060

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:09 am

The Red River tag tells us the block was rebuilt in Texas in 1952. I doubt anyone was shipping rebuilt G503 blocks to American forces (or any other army) in Europe in 1952 as there were plenty of engine rebuilding plants in almost all nations in Europe after the war so...the engine at least is telling us it came from the US so it wasn't a licensed/built engine in Europe at all....it is a Willys engine that tot an overhaul in a US base in 12/52. That would indicate to me it is likely an M38 engine.

How it got into a G503 is another story but I think the two met up in civilian life in the USA.
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Re: Willys MB 247060

Post by twinflyer17 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:20 pm

Hi Sean. thanks for your answer and your tips. I saw your restoration and I'm very impress. I'm going to chass a response from Tom. Just to tell you , great work and well done!
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Re: Willys MB 247060

Post by JNo » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:07 am

Here some pics from rear and front axles.
Casting date from front axles 7 1 43. Look like original

Casting date from rear axles 6 80 43
Does anyone confirm the original back axle ?
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Re: Willys MB 247060

Post by JNo » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:44 pm

Transfert case Brown lipe N°J 163829. Casting Number 5-13. Does anyone confirm the original transfert case, please?
T84 Ford Gear box K1344D will be replaced by T84 WOM Willys.
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Re: Willys MB 247060

Post by Michael O. » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:37 pm

Based on the serial number on your TC data tag matched with the casting date on the main housing, I would say that the casting Year was 1943....so 5-13-43.

You T84 Housing Assembly date is October 13, 1944. There was a period of time when Ford GPW marked cases were being used on the Willys MB assembly line. There are numerous factory photographs showing this. Since it dates later than your MB, this gear box is not the one installed at the factory....although some MB’s did in fact come out of the factory with a Ford gear boxes.
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Re: Willys MB 247060

Post by JNo » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:33 am

Anyone tell me What will be the correct ROSS steering gear appropriated for MB's 7-5-43. Cover steering box with T125998 (without ROSS stamped) or Cover steering box with T125996 (with ROSS stamped). Thanks.
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Re: Willys MB 247060

Post by Michael O. » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:48 am

I believe that the “ROSS” embossed cover is an early component. For your July 5, ‘43 MB the cover T125998 is more appropriate.

I suspect that both main housings are embossed “ROSS” on the inside (frame side) of the mounting bracket....correct?
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