1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by 70th Division » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:41 pm

Hello,

Your jeep has long been an inspiration, and she is getting close now !

Are you back home, with more time to work on her, or in California ?


As far as rims and tires, hold out and get nice combat rims, tubes, flaps, and Firestone tires.
You have come this far, invest your funds in the good stuff !

Maybe some rims are available in Canada from jeep parts places ?
The new JMP rims are great, but so are MD Juan rims.

Try Jegs or Summit for tires, sometimes they have free shipping, maybe to Canada or discounted shipping ?

Keep us posted and keep moving forward !!

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Boyso » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:45 pm

I'm still in Montreal, Canada for now, but I have to travel to LA a few times a year for work. Rest of the time I work remotely.

I was able to apply to get a NEXUS pass for trusted travellers so that should make it easier to buy parts south of the border, have them delivered in New York or Vermont and drive down to pick them.

Unfortunately, we only have a single retailer in Canada (Willy's Acres) and they only stock MDJuan (at ridiculous prices).

Life's just been busy and I just came back from a two weeks vacation in Mexico so unfortunately haven't been able to spend much time in the shop.

GF and I have started shopping for a house, with garage 8)
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by 70th Division » Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:21 pm

Boyso wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:45 pm
I'm still in Montreal, Canada for now, but I have to travel to LA a few times a year for work. Rest of the time I work remotely.

I was able to apply to get a NEXUS pass for trusted travellers so that should make it easier to buy parts south of the border, have them delivered in New York or Vermont and drive down to pick them.

Unfortunately, we only have a single retailer in Canada (Willy's Acres) and they only stock MDJuan (at ridiculous prices).

Life's just been busy and I just came back from a two weeks vacation in Mexico so unfortunately haven't been able to spend much time in the shop.

GF and I have started shopping for a house, with garage 8)
That is nice that you are back home,
Maybe you can get some rims and tires in the US during travel time and carry them back home :D

Congratulations on the GF, and home hunting, and get the biggest garage you can find !!

PS- see above .... big garage or outbuilding !!


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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by jeepfinger » Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:38 am

WOW :o
So much has gone on since I posted last. I'm glad that you are going to get the fuel filter parts sorted. Jeff you are on the ball, those are the parts that Boyso needs. To be honest, I don't know how he managed to put the other pipes and elbow in the housing, I thought that they were different threads.

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by JAB » Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:31 am

They are very close. He's not the first to do that. In fact, some folks don't realize what happened until they can't get any gas to the fuel pump because it won't seal.
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by jeepfinger » Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:46 pm

Jeff,
I have never tried it, but I can imagine the frustration that must cause the owner , trying to start their Jeep :o

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by JAB » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:26 am

Yes, in the "evolution" of threaded fasteners and fittings there are several areas where things almost "overlap" that can casue great consternation. Years ago I taught a class as part of a machine repair program at the local technical college and the section on fasteners and fittings was a real eye opener for me (the instruuctor) as I researched program material. I've forgotten much of granular details since then, but it's a topic that's full of twistes and turns (OK, pun intended!) and is still evolving today.
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Boyso » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:44 pm

Sorry for the lack of updates, I did manage to find those fuel filter fitting I had previously removed and reinstalled them. I'm missing one of the reducers from the brake lines to adapt it but no biggie.

In the meantime, I've officially started the rebuild of my T-84.

I've made a new post here viewtopic.php?f=4&p=1938267#p1938267

But I'll also post the full post here in-case someone reads this.

Thanks in advance for the help !

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Boyso » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:44 pm

The Master List. I've put in BOLD items I am not sure about.

I am using this diagram from Ron as well as his parts numbers for easily clarification and identification

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C 635844 - Snap Ring Input shaft and main shaft

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Condition = Reuse
Thickness = 0.094” 
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D 635846 - Snap Ring main gear

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Condition = Missing Needed if shielded bearing? 
E 635845 - Bearing front, main shaft

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Condition = Replace with shielded - Please advise, any brand?
F A5554 - input shaft

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Condition = Reuse
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G 639422 - bearing, pilot roller, main drive gear

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Condition = Replace
H 639423 - Snap Ring snap ring, pilot roller bearing

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Condition = Reuse, somewhat distorted?
Thickness = 0.063″
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M A7260 - Plate, guide, gear shift lever

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Condition = Reuse
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N 635839 - shift plate spring washer

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Condition = Missing
P 637834 - blocking ring

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Condition = Reuse?
Thickness = 0.369″ & 0.378″
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R 637833 - sleeve, synchronizer

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Condition = Reuse
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S 636196 - shift fork, high intermediate

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Condition = Reuse
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U A1155 - shift rail, high & intermediate & V A1156 shift rail, low & reverse

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Condition = Reuse, some pitting?
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W 635836 - shift fork guide pin

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Condition = Reuse
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X 636197 - shift fork, low and rev

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Condition = Reuse
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Y 636879 - Gear, first and reverse slider

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Condition = Replace?
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Z A738 - spacer, mainshaft bearing

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Condition = Replace? Grooved on one side
Thickness = 0.156″
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AA A410 - oil retaining washer, mainshaft

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Condition = One is good, one is very grooved on one side. Needed if using shieldeed bearings?
Thickness = 0.036″ & 0.034″
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AB A916 - bearing, rear, mainshaft

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Condition = Replace with shielded, please advise
AC A519 - mainshaft

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Condition = Reuse, some discoloration
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AD A879 - thrust washer

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Condition = Replace? Heavily grooved on one side
Thickness = 0.064″
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AE 635811 - thrust washer

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Condition = Replace? Grooved on one side
Thickness = 0.063″
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AF 638798 - gear, second, mainshaft

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Condition = Reuse? Replace bushing?
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AG 638948 - cluster countershaft

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Condition = Replace? Grooved on one end
Thickness = 0.617″
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AH 637832 - synchronizer shift plate

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Condition = Reuse
AJ A6319 - hub, synchronizer

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Condition = Reuse
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AK 637835 - snap ring, main shaft

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Condition = Reuse
Thickness =0.094″ 
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AL 638952 - reverse idler shaft

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Condition = Replace? Discoloration
Thickness = 0.619″
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AN 636882 - gear, reverse idler

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Condition = Reuse or replace? Please advise
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AP A739 - cluster countershaft gear

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Condition = Replace. Use WOF? Floating bushes vs pressed in? Current one is pressed type
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AR 635812 - thrust washer

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Condition = Replace? Some discoloration
Thickness = 0.032″
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AS A1379 - Gearshift lever housing cap
AT 635863 - washer, gear shift lever housing cap
AU 392328 - spring shift lever cane support
AY A1380 - gearshift lever cane
A1385 - interlock plunger

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Condition = Missing
UNKNOWN - Unknown spacer

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Condition = Grooved on one side
Thickness = 0.151″
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Thank you all in advance for your time, recommendations, tips and suggestions. It's very appreciated !
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by 70th Division » Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:05 pm

Boyso wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:44 pm
Sorry for the lack of updates, I did manage to find those fuel filter fitting I had previously removed and reinstalled them. I'm missing one of the reducers from the brake lines to adapt it but no biggie.

In the meantime, I've officially started the rebuild of my T-84.

I've made a new post here viewtopic.php?f=4&p=1938267#p1938267

But I'll also post the full post here in-case someone reads this.

Thanks in advance for the help !

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Hello,

Glad to see you back !!

I will be watching how you do this, as I am almost at that point as well.

Hopefully Ron can see this post, and let you know what transmission parts he has in inventory.

I watched a video from Greendot319 today, very well made, on rebuilding his transmission.
He has all new T-84 parts that are made in Italy.

So if you are not able to source the parts, maybe look into an Italian source.
I think it the parts were made by TAS ?

Good Luck !!

I will call Ron tomorrow to see what he has available for the T-84 , as I too always go to Ron first !!
Not ready to work on it yet, but it is good to see what parts will be available when I get there.

Then to learn how to rebuild it 😁👍 !


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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Boyso » Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:10 pm

Yeah I've been researching TAS parts. Seems like other than their synchros, they,re the best money can buy. I hope so, since their cluster gear is twice the price of a NOS WOF :o
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by 70th Division » Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:15 pm

Boyso wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:10 pm
Yeah I've been researching TAS parts. Seems like other than their synchros, they,re the best money can buy. I hope so, since their cluster gear is twice the price of a NOS WOF :o
Yikes !!

I am sure WOF is just as good !
Maybe find WOF gear sets, if available, if NOS GPW are not available anymore ?

But I am glad TAS is making them to a high quality standard, I never heard of them until today's video watching , and Matt has a knack for finding great parts.

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by JAB » Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:03 pm

Nice clean and well organized workspace! That's impressive!

These aren't that hard to do, I just did three of them a few weeks ago, but you do need to know a few specific "tricks" (no secret, they're in the manual). I'm referring to the fact that the cluster shaft needs to be temporarily replaced with a thin dummy shaft to enable the mainshaft and gears to be able to fit into the case. And that's after you already installed it once to measure endplay.
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Boyso » Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:26 am

JAB wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:03 pm
Nice clean and well organized workspace! That's impressive!

These aren't that hard to do, I just did three of them a few weeks ago, but you do need to know a few specific "tricks" (no secret, they're in the manual). I'm referring to the fact that the cluster shaft needs to be temporarily replaced with a thin dummy shaft to enable the mainshaft and gears to be able to fit into the case. And that's after you already installed it once to measure endplay.
I'm rebuilding it in my office in my 3rd floor appartment, I have to be clean otherwise the S/O is going to drop me off the balcony ! :lol:

Could I use a piece of metallic wire/coat hanger to replace the dummy shaft ? I could then lift it up and insert the real cluster shaft in or something ? Good tip !
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by conrod6 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:36 am

Its all in selecting the best parts. Some of the NOS t84 main shafts are slightly undersized where 2nd gear rides. If it is not much under NOS bushings are available still - and hand ream these to size. Just saying you can get by.

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