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If you have an unrestored WWII jeep, we would like to see pictures, and hear your comments. NO EBAY or COMMERCIAL SALES.
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Post by Limmkr » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:33 pm

So I was given this from my neighbor and have sooo many questions! I already know it's been added to, and hacked on, but I still would like to learn how to ID exactly what it started out as. He has no paperwork at all, been on his farm for 50 years, hasn't run for at least 10 per his memory. A title is first thing I'm getting for now. It's missing a coil, and it's been converted to 12V apparently, many hack jobs in there with wiring!
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Re: Newbie

Post by sjalbert » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:50 am

Welcome to the "G"

What number are you using to get it titled? Data plate on the dash is missing. Can't see the cross member under the radiator so can't tell if you've got a Willys or a Ford. Willys is a rounded tube, Ford is squared off (and looks like a hat channel). Willys should have a frame tag on the inside of the left frame rail just behind the front bumper (between the bumper gussets). For a Ford the number would be stamped on top of the left frame rail near the shock mount. This frame number is the original serial number and can be used to date the jeep.

It looks like you've got an L-134 engine. :) If this is a WWII engine there should be a serial number stamped into an oval boss behind the oil filter housing on the right side of the engine. If you've got a Ford and the engine is original to the Jeep this will be the same number that's stamped into the frame. Willys engines were used in other applications (pumps, generators, etc.) so this number was always higher then the frame number. A WWII Willys block will have the number 638632 cast into the right side (in front of and below the starter). A Ford block will have GPW-7015 cast in the same area.

The last place to look for a number is on the drivers side toe board gusset. If you've got a Willys it could be on the outer (Left) side of the toe board gusset (below approx serial # 299000). Through 1943 Ford made their own bodies and these didn't have a body number. In January 1944 Ford & Willys both started using the composite body. These had the number stamped into the leading edge of the toe board gusset

When you've got these numbers post them and we can possibly estimate a date of delivery.

That looks like a fairly solid and reasonably complete Jeep. Whoever extended the body did a very nice job.
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Re: Newbie

Post by Limmkr » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:29 am

First thing is that VIN, according to DMV here, if I can't find any numbers, the Highway patrol can do an inspection and actually issue a number. But I'll see what I can find first, and I'll post it later. It does have the rounded tube, so Willys I'm thinking. The bed is an issue, haven't decided to keep it or not, the wife says it's cute! Thank you for all the info!!
Steve

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Re: Newbie

Post by sjalbert » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:14 pm

Post more photo's, ask more questions and get some books. What state do you live in? Some states are easier then others for getting these titled. Good luck with the number search.
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1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
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Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known

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Re: Newbie

Post by dpcd67 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:07 am

Welcome.
You are very lucky to get this.
Now, hang on because you are in for a ride; not sure how much you know about restoring a historic MV.
First, it is not a VIN; it is a serial number; vehicles didn't have VINs until fairly recently.
And yes, before you get the dmv involved, do some research; some states are easier than others; ours never looks at anything and you can get a bonded title on a wheelbarrow.
But really first, get a full set of TMS, AAW books, there are other WW2 jeep sites, go to Jeep Draw, and read those every day for 6 months before you touch anything. And search here on this forum; everything has been already talked about. Each year of WW2 is specific as to configuration. There are about 900 details you need to learn before you turn a bolt.
Secondly, have $12k of spare change; that is what it costs to restore an MB correctly.
If you can't do body work, welding, engine work, painting, etc, double that figure. But it is very easy to learn it all. Just one obvious example is your CJ wheels; correct combat wheels are $1000, and the tires, tubes and flaps are another $800.
Where are you? If you are close to Illinois, I will come over.
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Re: Newbie

Post by dpcd67 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:11 am

And put all your questions and pictures in the Technical Knowledge area, no one reads this one; everyone reads the first one.
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Re: Newbie

Post by Limmkr » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:16 pm

Wow guys, thanks for knocking me outta my chair! I have realized in the few short hours of researching that this is way more than I want to bite off. In truth, I'm not looking to "restore" it, I really just love the vehicle and want to have a fun toy to parade around town and enjoy. Have I just lost friends?
I'm in CA, title is first on my list. Then I'll start making decisions on how to proceed. But I gotta say, I so want to start tearing it down!
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Re: Newbie

Post by sjalbert » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:47 pm

You don't need to restore it to enjoy it. I owned mine for 22 years before I started collecting the parts to make it more "authentic".

Getting a title before you sink funds and labor into it is absolutely essential. I'm assuming that CA is California and not Canada :( California is one of the harder states to get a former MV titled. You'll want to connect on the "G" with someone that has experience with titling in CA. There's a MVCC Forum here on the "G" viewforum.php?f=59. Looking in that forum you might want to contact a user named Retired War Horses, memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2228 for assistance.

Good luck
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1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
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Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known

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Re: Newbie

Post by dpcd67 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:05 pm

Ok, you should consider trading this one for a CJ2A, paint it green, and drive it in parades.
Let someone restore this one back to original condition.
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Re: Newbie

Post by Frank USMC » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:35 pm

You were given the jeep, true story about that.
Years ago I was given a WWII Navy flight line Cushman scooter. I know nothing about them. This scooter was missing most of the parts, but was still flight line yellow, and you could still read all the Navy markings on it. I knew I was in over my head on this, so like every one here, I wanted to save our WWll history. I had to get it to good home. I gave it to one of my best friends who was restoring a WWll airborne Cushman scooter.
Years later, I asked him how it was going on the scooter I gave him? His reply was perfect " that scooter is the most EXPENSIVE free gift I have ever got".
You jeep was free, so you are ahead of the game. You have some great guys here who will help you. You will have to put some money into it but it will be worth it. Enjoy the journey.
One of the few, Frank USMC RET

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Re: Newbie

Post by Limmkr » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:16 pm

So I found the plate, MB204215 near the bumper. On the block is the Willy’s number mentioned and ahead of that is 3-18.

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Re: Newbie

Post by IvorGPW » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:49 pm

I don’t know if someone has mentioned this above but you absolutely don’t need to have it completely restored to factory spec in order to enjoy it. As long as it’s safe and operable who cares whether you have the correct wheels or not, just drive it and have fun. Overtime you can find those needed parts and add them to make it more authentic if you like or just keep driving it.
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Re: Newbie

Post by Mark Jesic » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:41 am

Welcome to the "G", all help is available on here. If you do restore it ( i hope you do ) remember, it is not a race, take your time, ask for advice, and you WILL enjoy it. There must be loads of guys out there who envy you, they all wish they had been given a jeep. I do. Enjoy and keep us posted, good luck. :D

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Re: Newbie

Post by Ian Fawbert » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:52 am

Welcome aboard and thanks for sharing the pics of your nice jeep.

I suggest you spend some time in your neighbours shed and scrap pile- there are bound to be MANY parts for this jeep he/someone has taken off and put in the shed/on the pile in the last 50 years.

Such as:
Hood bows?
Various body brackets?
Rear seat?
Combat (split) rims
Air filter

Plus i`m sure more!

Enjoy YOUR jeep for what YOU want to do with it!

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Re: Newbie

Post by YLG80 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:20 am

Limmkr wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:16 pm
So I found the plate, MB204215 near the bumper. On the block is the Willy’s number mentioned and ahead of that is 3-18.
Hi,
Your jeep should had been delivered to the US Army on January 19th or 20th, 1943 (DoD) Up to you.
References:
204147..... ACM Type 1 ...........Original Zinc Tuesday January 19th, 1943
204215 <---- is your jeep
204224 ..............................................Wednesday January 20th, 1943
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