1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

If you have an unrestored WWII jeep, we would like to see pictures, and hear your comments. NO EBAY or COMMERCIAL SALES.
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Boyso » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:44 pm

Met with another jeeper named Michel near the CFB Valcartier that sold me one splendid toolbox lid. Proper hinge and F mark too! The hinge is a bit loose and it needs a bit of persuation to latch properly. Must've installed the whole lock mechanism 1/16" off. I'm sure if i tighten up the hinge one way to make it sit closer to the center of the lock, it'll work A1.

If someone has another toolbox lid in just as great condition (aka laser straight) and with the hinge on top, drop me a PM please!

Also I have sinned. I ordered repro corner handles :shock: Mine were way too bent (included an image) and while trying to straighten one of 'em, I completely ruined it. I wanted those handles to hold everything square when i spot weld.

I also modified my spot welder to make it fit. Shaved 1/8" off the nozzle as well as 1/16" off the L-shaped arm. The photo in the tub was before shaving the L-shaped arm. Now its straight and will work.

Also got the title in my name! For now its titled as Off Road only, as the government's brilliant brains havent decided yet if my jeep is military or not, and as such, if it is going to be restricted to 70 kph roads and banned alltogether in 2024. :x

Is the taillight bracket supposed to be welded over the wheelhouse tab, or underneath?

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Ez8 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:16 am

Very good looking work!
That's a tight fit down in those tool boxes, but looks like you were able to get it done!
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Boyso » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:31 pm

Still haven't welded anything yet, still trying to get the best fit I can.

I got my rear floor pretty level, sits at 14 1/2" on one side (from the top of the rear floor to the top of the rear panel) and 14 3/16" ish on the other.

Also, the distance between the two toolboxes at floor level is 33" on the dot but as I measure from top to top, I'm at 33 1/8".

I mocked up the rest of the jeep to make sure everything still fits, and it does! Although I need to order new braces between the wheel houses and the sides of the tub, my old ones are pretty mangled and they don't see to fit right. I'll have to see with Joe motor pool repro ones to see if the fit is OK before I start spotwelding the whole rear half. I wish I could've gotten my hands on the fuel tank well too, but they're out of stock everywhere since their shop burned down.

Its really really good for the morale to see the jeep mostly together though, even if its only held by half the required bolts :lol:

Also, I forgot how small that cockpit is, when you're 6' 2" !

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by conrod6 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:30 am

All good from what I can see !

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Boyso » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:58 pm

Thanks Barrie, appreciated :)

Unfortunately, my dog passed before x-mas. Sorry for the slower progress.

Tried to get inventive to get the spot welder in place without ruining my back. Unfortunately, results were unsatisfactory. Went with plug welds instead.

Left wheelhouse isn't as straight as I would like, I think when I'll weld in the shock tower cap, it'll pull it a bit more straight.

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by 70th Division » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:49 pm

Hello,

Wow you are really coming along with your awesome project !!!
Looking great and will soon be back together :D :D

I just got new tips for my spot welder that I had never used, but bought years ago.
The old tips were burned off, and now it works great !
It was made by Dayton. The tongs are long, and can reach down to do the gas tank strap channel I am installing on my 43 GPW.
They could also reach an axe sheath as well to spot, but mine is a-ok.

I do know that the metal has to be bare clean metal where you are spot welding, on all sides
or it it won't weld. Top and bottom, and top and bottom of each spot to be welded together.
I used my little dremel tool with a metal work disk,
and cleaned 4 small areas to weld EACH spot together to make a good spot weld.
Last night I repaired my 42 GPW hood hinge that had been ripped off years ago and the farmer put door hinges to hold it on.

I bought an F stamped hood hinge from Ron, and cut out the hinge section, and cut into my
existing hinge channel.
I painted the hinge, but taped over little areas to keep them bare, then I spot welded it together to the hood.
It came out beautiful and rock solid !
It saved a ton of welding and grinding, and all I have to do now is fill the seem with regular weld and grind back.
What a great tool, and you have yours being employed.
I do know that the 2 pieces need to be clamped together real tight, and close to the weld spot area.
I held the button for 6 seconds and that made a good clean spot weld.

I went to Harbor freight and bought 6 long vise grip type welding clamps and 6 regular ones.
They are just like the old US made vise grip welding clamps, but better.
Made in Taiwan, and with a lifetime warranty.
Around $20 for the long ones and $10 for the short ones or there abouts.

The current vice grip brand ones are made in China and at least double or triple in price.
The harbor freight units are "Bremen" brand.
If you don't have any, I highly recommend these tools to all G503 members .
Very high quality and they make jeep work much easier :D :D :D

Keep up your great inspirational works !!!

Best Regards,
Ray

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by sawbuck » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:12 pm

Ray,
I have seen those Dayton and sometimes Miller spot welders for sale on Craigslist. Some are 120V, others 220V.
Which voltage were you using?

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by 70th Division » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:36 am

Hello Sawbuck,


I am using the 110 Volt model, it is pretty darn well made and can be plugged into a regular plug, but I would use a 20 or 30 amp breaker.



My Unit is called :
Dayton Portable Spot Welder
Model is : 2Z543
Style number : JH-35 F1
It has 12 inch tongs, and has a red metal data plate.

It was likely made in the 1990's but not certain, I bought it in the late 1990's.
The welder is very well made. I got a deal on it at a pawn shop for $150.00 and it was like new !! They are pretty expensive now even well used ones.
It looks a lot like the Miller models.
My welder has sat in my shop for at least 20 years, never used, but got some surface rust on it from moisture, etc.

I put the new tips on a couple days ago, and it worked like brand new !

I read that longer and different shaped tongs are available to reach odd positions.
But I don't have any of them.

I am happy that this thing works and works well.
I bought new US made screw on tips on ebay for $10.
They are 3/8 inch thread, not metric ones !!

Good luck,
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Boyso » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:35 am

Mine is a 220v and I wish I had around 6 seconds of trigger pull to get a nice spotweld!

On mine, I have to be around 1.5 secs. A bit less and I get no penetration, a bit more and I get a burn through! And since there's no timer on my trigger, I gotta go by feel.

No very easy!

I plugged welded in my right wheelhouse this weekend. And I got the technique nailed where I don't have much to grind off. I'll sand everything down and then do some spot welds where penetration isn't as important now but where I get the nice looking divot.

Twice the work but I won't doubt the strength no more :D

My plug welds arent all great in the photos, doing yoga poses for most of them results in some touch ups required hehe


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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by 70th Division » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:52 pm

Hello,

That is excellent work !!!
The important thing is it is getting welded back together :D :D :D

The plug welds can be cleaned up really nice, I have to do that as well,
where the spot welder can't reach.

Your jeep is looking great, and really coming together nicely :D :D :D
I really enjoy watching your post and updates of all your hard work.
It is always nice watching craftsmanship on the march !!

My spot welder doesn't have a timer, I just press the lever switch
and count to 5 or 6 and let off.
I also make sure all surfaces that are being sandwiched with the spot are 100 percent bare, clean metal, and double clamped with clamps at each spot weld spot !!
No paint, no primer, no surface rust, clean all 4 surfaces where you are spotting two
pieces of metal together.

Then it works perfect, if not bare metal, it doesn't weld at all.

Try clamping your piece very tight together with welding clamps,
and put another clamp on each side of where
you want to weld a spot,real close with just room to fit your tongs in between.
Then move it all down to the next spot.

I never used it before, but once I did this it worked beautifully.

I watched a youtube video from an old time professor, and he did a great job
with a tutorial on spot welding.


Best Regards,
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by majmacs » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:52 pm

Boyso,
Are you using a propoint 220v spot welder?
If so, what plug did you end up using? 220v 20Amp circuit?
I purchased one on sale afew months ago, but have not set it up yet.

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Boyso » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:23 am

@Ray : Yeah I couldn't get it perfectly clamped, probably my issue! It'll be better with the other panels :)

Thanks for the kind words, its really appreciated

@Patrick : I bought the 220v from Harbor Freight. I got my dad to wire in a plug from the hardware store, same one I use on my compressor. I can check this weekend what amperage its rated for, I know nothing about that spicy juice coming from the wall :lol:

Its one heavy beast though, and I'm not weak either, at least, I think!
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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by majmacs » Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:32 pm

Lol,
Sounds good. Sounds like the same 220v single phase 20A plug I have.....and the same Used for my 80 gallon Compressor.

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by Boyso » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:57 pm

Finished welding the rear of the tub and I'm very pleased with the results. Next I'll grind everything and use my spot welds to do the "final" welds where i won't grind them in order to get the divots visible.

I ran a quick test and it worked a treat on the newer steel. Just a bit harder to get consistent results on the older steel that isn't maybe perfectly clean. It welded fine with my MIG though!

My back is very sore from doing Circle du Soleil moves all weekend to weld it. :lol:

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Re: 1944 Ford GPW-231738 - "Potshot"

Post by 70th Division » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:20 pm

Hello,

Looks awesome !!!

It is really coming back together nicely after all your hard work :D :D :D :D


Best Regards,
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