VEP GPW Differences from other GPWs

[kmccarthy16]

There is no wood filler behind the stone guard.

[m3bobby]

Does you seat clear the fuel tank ok? I really don’t know which way to go with fitting a new guard. At least it is easily reversed if I find issues later on.

[Chuck Lutz]

GPW-17963 came to me with an original small-mouth tank and the original "F" marked seat.
When I removed the seat so I could remove the leaking tank and install a new tank (2000 or 2001), I could see where the seat frame had been sitting on the tank and not only removed the paint on the tank and the seat, but was wearing away the metal of the tank top.

After I discovered the tank well was OK and I installed the new tank and Ron's anti-squeak material, I strapped the tank in (fit was perfect) and bolted the seat back in (no wood spacer), I discovered that I could not slide a sheet of copy paper between the frame and the tank top. I decided that this unacceptable so I installed a home-made wood spacer to lift the seat a tad off the tank. Then I could slide the paper in there so I kept the wood spacer these last 19 years. I did not have any issue with mounting the seat back screw through the wheel well.

Maybe one or two hefty guys had bent the seat frame a tad or those who think standing on the seat is OK bent the seat frame enough to cause this problem.

[m3bobby]

Thanks Chuck, I wonder if ford made a mistake with the drawings for the guard? I’ve been looking for a copy of the 1st contract TM Parts list but I only ever find the 2nd contract for sale.

[kmccarthy16]

There seems to be plenty clearance between the seat and the fuel tank.

[Chuck Lutz]

Does that jeep have the original tank well, original tank and an original seat frame?

[kmccarthy16]

I'm not sure. I purchased the Jeep 2 years ago from the daughter,her father passed in 2011 and was a doctor in the air force. He purchased the Jeep in 1972 and had it restored at the time of purchase. The daughter stated that it was restored by one of Bill Harrah's workers.

I want to say it is all original, but I really do not know.

The seats have the script and the gas tank has what appears to be a script.

[m3bobby]

I was just reading the ‘All American Wonder’ Volume 1 and on page 112 there’s a drawing of the stone guard and it shows the ‘Gas Tank Protector A-2930’ as 3 1/2” high.

[m3bobby]

So a further update. It would appear from the Henry Ford Archives, that the stone guard should be 3.58” high from floor to seat base. I do wonder if the workshop that made this part, or the original drawing was wrong and they used the figure of 3.58” Long was used as the actual length of the guard?

[Gene2013]

Here are what I have noticed on GPW 7588. It seems quite original I think. Found on an estate in UK and repainted approx. 20-30 years ago.

*Grill with no indent at top
*Oakes filter
*Primer on bows for canvas roof is greenish/yellow.... body from what I can see exposed is red (possibly time of restoration)
*Metal steering wheel
*Ford tyres (possibly repro)
*No spare can holder
*No trailer socket
*No blackout light
*Button push glovebox opener
*No pump bracket under rear seat
*No torque reaction spring.
*Body to frame bolts all spring loaded
*Ford Script rear panel
*Keyed ignition
*AO Smith chassis
*Chester PA plates (Monday morning stamped lol as fields stamped in wrong place)
*DOD 23rd March '42
*Small opening on fuel tank
*Regulator smooth black rather than later rough coating
*Some bolt heads F marked others not
*Underside of transmission cover plate F marked
*Front fenders F marked
* So far I have discovered about 40 Fs
*Very old green hood blocks, one almost crumbling
*All four axle rubber stops have bolts from bottom upwards i.e. nuts applied on the top.
*Grote reflectors
* Tobe D. filterette
*brass windscreen clasps
*the horn is not a spartan but an old Delco or something, it is old though.
*has the lines in the rear wheel arches

I will add as I remember more or discover more.

[17thAirborne]

That's a great post. Especially adding the details regarding primer color. Well done. We look forward to some images. There's a VEP post about primer colors, so if you get a chance to post some images of the primer colors you are finding please do so. Thanks again.

For the Primer Images if you please:

viewtopic.php?f=95&t=133066&start=45

[joostini]

in answer to the not blue marked items in the first post.

my
GPW-1533
GPW-3211
GPW-3391

- have all F marked bumperettes
- All have green sheller
- No rear panel reinforcing brackets
- Very few Ford marked bolts. ( i actualy hated it.. but it is what it is )
- No tire pump bracket-rear seat
- Willys style front and back bumpers (no jig holes)

GPW-1533 has green hood blocks, both almost crumbling

GPW-1533 has thinner body grab handles ( can somebody confirm ? )

also no ribs on the back of the outer ring of the sparton claxon.

[JAB]

It looks like I found a difference in early GPW front frame horns, but I need some pictures to help make sure before I start repairing it. Script GPW 37718, June 18, 1942 has the standard GPW angled cut on the front frame horns but the remains of the frame horns on earlier script GPW 24953 appear to have had squared frame ends. It's got the inverted U-front crossmember so it's a GPW (not Willys/Midland) style frame. Were the earliest GPW frames different in this area? I haven't noticed any other differences between the two frames. This frame (GPW 24953) also had the springs installed on the two body bolts above the transmission crossmember referred to upthread.

GPW 37718

GPW 24953

To repair this, do I simply need to fill in the gap in front of the hole and form a straight cut at the end, or was it a half moon shape there? If so, what radius?

[rjbeamer]

Will this help? (Jeep draw.)
I am not sure if this is the same Info as in the new GPW judging standards. Maybe someone with access to the new standard will chime in.

http://jeepdraw.com/WIKI___FRAME.htm

Roger

[JAB]

How on earth did I miss that! That's exactly what I needed!!!!! Thanx!!!