GPW frame number identification
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GPW frame number identification
Hi Fellows
I ask you, if they read the number engraved on the chassis of a GPW found here in Argentina.
It is a regular numbering format?
You can find out the DOD?
Toe Board Gusset Number
Thanks in advance!!
Cheers
I ask you, if they read the number engraved on the chassis of a GPW found here in Argentina.
It is a regular numbering format?
You can find out the DOD?
Toe Board Gusset Number
Thanks in advance!!
Cheers
Mariano Paz
LU4ALM
1967 M606
1952 M100
MEP CE-016-AC Hol-Gar Mfg.
1945 Willys MB
Buenos Aires,ARGENTINA
LU4ALM
1967 M606
1952 M100
MEP CE-016-AC Hol-Gar Mfg.
1945 Willys MB
Buenos Aires,ARGENTINA
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Re: GPW frame number identification
It looksto me as it was renumbered anyone else see tht if yu look in the first pic to the right seems to be a 3 and it doesnt seem to match the style of the first few numbers nor be inline with them, there als seems to be a 3 before the P and i dont see a W anywhere, just my observations as for the number goes its hard to read.
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- Luis
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Re: GPW frame number identification
This is another pics with the same numbers and an interpretation of them.
Any idea???
What do you think?
Thanks in advance!!
Cheers
Any idea???
What do you think?
Thanks in advance!!
Cheers
Mariano Paz
LU4ALM
1967 M606
1952 M100
MEP CE-016-AC Hol-Gar Mfg.
1945 Willys MB
Buenos Aires,ARGENTINA
LU4ALM
1967 M606
1952 M100
MEP CE-016-AC Hol-Gar Mfg.
1945 Willys MB
Buenos Aires,ARGENTINA
- Chuck Lutz
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Re: GPW frame number identification
Luis....your chart looks to me to have the number "38245" stamped in OVER the original STAR GPW <->________STAR that would probably have been what was there from Ford. Since you have identified a STAR at the end of the numbers, then the " I I 3" in front of that is probably a part of the original number. With this in mind, take another look at the stamping and IGNORE the "38245" and try to see if there are TWO or THREE other digits between the GPW<->_ _ _ I I 3".
I think there will be THREE in there and it could then be "1xx113" or "2xx113".
The spacing may help you figure it out but some stampings are a bit sloppy so that would not be an exact way to tell.... Tom may be able to help out with the location on the frame rail as to the factory...
I think there will be THREE in there and it could then be "1xx113" or "2xx113".
The spacing may help you figure it out but some stampings are a bit sloppy so that would not be an exact way to tell.... Tom may be able to help out with the location on the frame rail as to the factory...
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GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
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Re: GPW frame number identification
Thank you very much Chuck!
I think his conclusions are correct ..
Another best pics..
Thanks again!
I think his conclusions are correct ..
Another best pics..
Thanks again!
Mariano Paz
LU4ALM
1967 M606
1952 M100
MEP CE-016-AC Hol-Gar Mfg.
1945 Willys MB
Buenos Aires,ARGENTINA
LU4ALM
1967 M606
1952 M100
MEP CE-016-AC Hol-Gar Mfg.
1945 Willys MB
Buenos Aires,ARGENTINA
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Re: GPW frame number identification
Hello,
The last photo was a big help.
The original serial number was *GPW 38243*. It had become hard to read so someone has restamped just the number part after moving it to the left a little over-lapping the GPW.
From my GPW studies and databases, Your GPW 38243 should have come from the Dallas, Tx. assembly plant.
The last photo was a big help.
The original serial number was *GPW 38243*. It had become hard to read so someone has restamped just the number part after moving it to the left a little over-lapping the GPW.
From my GPW studies and databases, Your GPW 38243 should have come from the Dallas, Tx. assembly plant.
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Re: GPW frame number identification
Tom!
You are de Best! Thank you very much!
You can find the month and year of manufacture?
This is the GPW with these numbers stamped in frame
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The man behind the wheel, is the owner for many years and uses it daily.
Your name, Diego Del Solar Dorrego
Cheers
You are de Best! Thank you very much!
You can find the month and year of manufacture?
This is the GPW with these numbers stamped in frame
http://youtu.be/Z5KsyO7HFEY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://youtu.be/xq3mLxsOi9E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The man behind the wheel, is the owner for many years and uses it daily.
Your name, Diego Del Solar Dorrego
Cheers
Mariano Paz
LU4ALM
1967 M606
1952 M100
MEP CE-016-AC Hol-Gar Mfg.
1945 Willys MB
Buenos Aires,ARGENTINA
LU4ALM
1967 M606
1952 M100
MEP CE-016-AC Hol-Gar Mfg.
1945 Willys MB
Buenos Aires,ARGENTINA
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Re: GPW frame number identification
This is my first time I write in G503, thank for accepting me.
The GPW frame number 38243 belongs to my jeep, and the previous photos were uploaded by my friend Mariano. Last year I pull another picture and showed up that half (1/2).
Is it possible to be one of the first late 43? Early composite mixture of Ford and Willys, a prototype manufactured by Ford perhaps?
The GPW frame number 38243 belongs to my jeep, and the previous photos were uploaded by my friend Mariano. Last year I pull another picture and showed up that half (1/2).
Is it possible to be one of the first late 43? Early composite mixture of Ford and Willys, a prototype manufactured by Ford perhaps?
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Re: GPW frame number identification
Welcome!
Your GPW 38243 should have been delivered around mid-June 1942. it should have a Ford production script tub and would not have a number stamped on the toe board gusset. Your jeep probably went through a depot rebuild and had another tub installed. This may also explain the re-stamping of your serial number on the frame. Tom Woldboldt stated earlier that is a Dallas vehicle...he may have some production specifics.
Your GPW 38243 should have been delivered around mid-June 1942. it should have a Ford production script tub and would not have a number stamped on the toe board gusset. Your jeep probably went through a depot rebuild and had another tub installed. This may also explain the re-stamping of your serial number on the frame. Tom Woldboldt stated earlier that is a Dallas vehicle...he may have some production specifics.
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Re: GPW frame number identification
Hi Diego and welcome!
If your GPW is 38243 and had a DOD of June 1942, I don't think it is the mystery radio jeep in the thread you PMed me.
The Marine Corps. did not request this type of jeep from Willys-Overland until August of 1942... and if they requested a GPW to be made to those specifications it would have been after that time.
However, if there are any odd features on your GPW that make you think it is a USN/USMC radio jeep please post photos or email them to me and I will post them for you and we can evaluate your jeep further.
If your GPW is 38243 and had a DOD of June 1942, I don't think it is the mystery radio jeep in the thread you PMed me.
The Marine Corps. did not request this type of jeep from Willys-Overland until August of 1942... and if they requested a GPW to be made to those specifications it would have been after that time.
However, if there are any odd features on your GPW that make you think it is a USN/USMC radio jeep please post photos or email them to me and I will post them for you and we can evaluate your jeep further.
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Re: GPW frame number identification
Hi Michael Thanks for your reply and thank you very much Mark for our conversation through emails about the last picture of this frame, now I show a Z1 near 1/2, the same is inside the highlighted yellow ,is a bit hard to see it.
This is what I found in these days besides the half,i hope one day know, what was this jeep.
All the best.
Diego.
This is what I found in these days besides the half,i hope one day know, what was this jeep.
All the best.
Diego.
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Re: GPW frame number identification
Hello Diego,
I have been reviewing your GPW frame photos and here is what I see currently.
38245 stamped over the original frame number. The 38245 is not of a Ford frame number font.
The original frame was stamped at the Dallas, Tx. assembly plant.
The original GPW number was a 6 digit number, based on the digit spacing, starting the number 2. The base of the 2 can be seen just above the bottom of the restamped 4.
To me the number original is 2xx513 or 2xx543.
I have been reviewing your GPW frame photos and here is what I see currently.
38245 stamped over the original frame number. The 38245 is not of a Ford frame number font.
The original frame was stamped at the Dallas, Tx. assembly plant.
The original GPW number was a 6 digit number, based on the digit spacing, starting the number 2. The base of the 2 can be seen just above the bottom of the restamped 4.
To me the number original is 2xx513 or 2xx543.
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Re: GPW frame number identification
Hello Tom,thank you very much for your reply !excuse my delay.
Regards.
Diego.
Regards.
Diego.
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Re: GPW frame number identification
Again, to me the original number is more like 2xx513 since the last number next to that last "3" have a serif at the top & bottom, they are a capital "I" which is what Ford used rather than a number "1".
I wonder if a GPW frame with 2xx513 would have an ACM tb number of "126451" and from that can we determine the two missing digits? Of course this would be dependant on the tub and frame having been together from the factory....
I wonder if a GPW frame with 2xx513 would have an ACM tb number of "126451" and from that can we determine the two missing digits? Of course this would be dependant on the tub and frame having been together from the factory....
Chuck Lutz
GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
Bantam T3-C 1947
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Re: GPW frame number identification
Thanks Chuck, maybe this will serve: years ago I change the original grill for another in better condition on these days scrape on the bumper and found blue, then on original grille investigate and found blue and green forest, of this blue take a sample and comparing it with the bumper,they are the same.. maybe this answers your question. Was at that time a USMC / USN? Jeep or after a RAF jeep..
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