I think I found a VEP GPW?

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I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by donk_316 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:33 am

Pictures are coming.
It’s basically the frame and original tub bolted together.
All running gear is missing. The grill, passenger side fender and hood are missing.

The serial number for the frame was stamped on the engine mounts but they were removed for some engine swap a million years ago.

The rear panel is cut out as per usual.
There isn’t a hole for the trailer plug.
Glove box floor is missing.
Push pull switch is still in dash and so are the gauges. All the gauges glass is smashed.
Odd ball harder to find stuff is still attached like the shovel and axe retainer. The rear seat foot rests are still there. This thing is littered with F bolts. The original tub to frame hardware is still intact. Original fender bolts, drivers side wiring and all that are still here. Reflectors are there but the actual reflectors are smashed.
The shocks, leaf springs and shock mount plates are laying in the tub. One shock is peeing oil everywhere. The fuel sump is still there.
The firewall was cut for the previously mentioned engine swap.

So I know for sure it’s GPW frame, GPW ford body. How do I narrow it down further without any numbers.
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Re: I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by signsup » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:45 am

I'm not the guy to answer correctly, but at least I'm the guy who listens. Research some past threads, I recall something about rear panel supports (I know the panel is missing, but maybe some corener supports are there) and some supports or ribs in the toolboxes. Also the hardware for the toolboxes may have an early/late thing. Lock on glove box? Keyed ignition or toggle switch? Blackout light or panel light switch or holes for them in the dash? Speedometer long or short needle? 60 or 65 mph? Small mouth or large mouth gas tank or drivers seat hole in the pan for it? Holes in dash for first aid bracket? Notch in center of grill at the top? Torque reaction spring on drivers side front or signs of one installed?
Just some little things off the top of my head to maybe look for.
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Re: I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by Wolfman » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:25 am

You are missing some of the key parts that help determine VEP.
The first VEP frames were MB. Not Ford. Off the top of my head, not sure when that changed. No serial number plate on the left front MB frame horn, but the pilot holes for the tag were there. Just smaller and not drilled out. The GPW serial number was stamped on the frame by the left engine mount. Most were in front of the engine mount, although I have heard of some numbers being behind the mount and some on the mount. Number on GPW 964 was on the frame in front of the mount but was stamped really light. Had a devil off a time uncovering it in the rust.
Some of the things could have been field mods. Originally. No left fender black out light. No trailer plug. No rear panel support brackets. No torque reaction spring. Little fuzzy here but maybe no pintle hook or maybe a pintle hook with no safety chain eyes ???
First air cleaner was pancake type.
Always interesting to see pictures.
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Post by Michael O. » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:38 am

If you email me some photos I can take a look at them and answer your questions via or phone.
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I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by donk_316 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:27 pm

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The only evidence I can see is the lack of tool box reinforcement rib.

I have the hood also and it has rubber blocks

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I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by donk_316 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:15 pm

Can’t edit so I have to keep adding posts...

Tub is still bolted with Pal Nuts for locks and springs on the crossmember tub mountImage
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Why would the top of the bolt be drilled? Image

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Re: I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by donk_316 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:03 pm

Is this frame any different than all the other GPW frames out there? VEP GPW frame is still just a GPW frame?


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Re: I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by tractor12 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:07 pm

Vep for the most part are Willys style not ford style
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I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by donk_316 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:14 pm

?
I thought the first 8000 or so of the 15000 1st contract GPWs had the Willys style frame?

So the yellow primer, lack of tool box reinforcement rib don’t indicate a 1st contract March-April ‘42 GPW?

Does anyone know?! Do I need to take different pictures? I have the tub off now.

More details found.
No blackout light holes on fender,
Front drivers side has no TRS and has the original F marked lower shock mount.
No trailer wiring plug.

The gauges are there but smashed and sun dyed. Is there a detail there I should be looking for?

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Re: I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by Klaas » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:59 pm

donk_316 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:14 pm
?
I thought the first 8000 or so of the 15000 1st contract GPWs had the Willys style frame?

So the yellow primer, lack of tool box reinforcement rib don’t indicate a 1st contract March-April ‘42 GPW?

Does anyone know?! Do I need to take different pictures? I have the tub off now.

More details found.
No blackout light holes on fender,
Front drivers side has no TRS and has the original F marked lower shock mount.
No trailer wiring plug.

The gauges are there but smashed and sun dyed. Is there a detail there I should be looking for?
Hi Donk,
As far as I know, from all the posts on this forum, the first contract GPW's numbered from GPW1 to around GPW15000 are known as VEP; the GPW's manufactured under the 2nd contract from around 15000 to the end of the scripted body are known as EP. The 15000 cut off point is very loosely used as engines were distributed from the one factory to all the GPW manufacturing plants spread out over the US and LIFO / FILO has a lot to do with that.
The first 8000 or so were assembled on Willys style frames until Ford got their own frames sorted.
Points you mention about instruments: early GPW's had long needle SW gas gauge and long needle SW speedo (see appropriate pages on Jeepdraw)
As far as I can see from your pictures, there is a small hole just above the glove box which indicates the non-locking lid.
Seeing also that your engine mount is missing and that you don't have a frame number on the LH rail would indicate that that number was on the engine mount itself. In my opinion that would indicate Louisville production (but I can be very wrong on that point....)

My GPW 17331 has most or all of the distinguishing features of the VEP but can be an EP as well. I don't know and probably never will.
In my post about GPW17331, further down the VEP pages, you can see a list (which I copied from a post much further down) with all the distinguishing features of the VEP / EP GPW's.
To find out more you "only" have through the different posts to read about all the little gems of knowledge found in there.
Another line to follow is contacting Tom Wolbolt on his Facebook page as he is no longer on this forum for reasons unknown to me.
All this is my (limited) knowledge about early GPW's. Undoubtedly others with more information will chime in.
Good luck!

P.s, love your spring mounted body bolts!! (the hole in the bolt heads is there because Old Henry probably used some bolts that were lying around the shop, left over from some other use on whatever Ford model they were building around that time)
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Re: I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by donk_316 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:40 am

Klaas,
Thanks very much for your input. I appreciate it.
Since my gauges aren’t “paint can” but the tub does not have the reinforcement rib this should put me about April ‘42 correct? At the end of C1 and probably right at the beginning of the C2 production.

The remnants of the fire extinguisher mounts are still a screwed to the left inner tub with 6 screws.


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Re: I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by Klaas » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:54 pm

donk_316 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:40 am
Since my gauges aren’t “paint can” but the tub does not have the reinforcement rib this should put me about April ‘42 correct? At the end of C1 and probably right at the beginning of the C2 production.
I don't have the reinforcement rib to the rear of the tool boxes either and also the later original SW gauges (with long needle fuel gauge and speedo) , so you can probably safely say that your GPW was built around April 1942 and at the point when C1 went to C2; same as mine but different factory.
All you have to find now is a GPW engine in the proper serial number range and copy that to the chassis and dash plates to get a numbers matching jeep just like Ford did all those years ago. :D
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Re: I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by donk_316 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:21 pm

I like that idea Klaas! I might go that direction. The frame is remarkably good condition for being in Canada and all the hat channels are solid?! How is that even possible...

Check this out... GPW number and F still visible after 77 years...

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Re: I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by awddouglas » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:09 pm

i think you have gone beyond it now but a simple way on vep vs ep is the front crossmember. on vep, it is the willys tube, on ep it is the ford upside down u channel.

inverted u channel, no tool box strengthening plates, no trailer socket, no locking glove box, sounds like ep....
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Re: I think I found a VEP GPW?

Post by donk_316 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pm

Exactly


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