Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

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Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by JeeperJim » Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:03 pm

I'v noticed some older European owned CJ2A's and other smaller vehicles that have a what seems to be a NATO equivelant NDT or NDCC tread tire
with siping or other improvements for wet traction.
Has anyone had any experiece with these tires or have knowledge of them?
I'm not a real fan of NDT tires for my old 2A but that is what was original to the jeep so I would like to stay somewhat original while having an improved tread performance on wet roads. Standard NDT tread is "slicker-than-you-know-what" on wet pavement so I'm looking for other options in the 7:00 x 16 size over the traditional street tread. Note: This post is dual purpose because I do have a '51 M38 (not A1) to put on the road in the next year or so too so I may go with the same tire for both jeeps.

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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by cjv-35 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:56 pm

I believe what tire you are talking about is the tire that the M- 201 French Hotchkiss jeep had in it's production run.The brand I believe was KLIEBER.You could try the internet for a source.I would think that if they are available,they will be very expensive.

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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by Ben Dover » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:16 am

If you want wet traction, there is not muckh that can be done to a NDT/NDCC, but a commercial traed radial. Years ago, tire shops did offer "Microsiping", a series of fine cuts crossways around the circumferance of the tread. It had been over 50 years since I have seen it done.
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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by DJ » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:30 pm

Tire siping is still being done,in fact a recent Military Vehicle Magaazine had a article on it. When I was trucking I had all my tires siped.

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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by JeeperJim » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:02 am

Here is the tire on a European jeep of which country I am not sure. This is the tire that I was inquiring about and appears
to be a much better wet surface tread but still military in appearance.
I wonder if we can get a shipment of these if they are still made.
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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by Ben Dover » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:08 am

Those resemble the Swiss NDT. I have some NOS take offf 600X16 in my building. The issue with importing new military tires is that they have to meet D.O.T. Specs and be marked as such. Customs just may question the imported tires and impound them. Not good for your pocket book when that happens.
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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by Beacher425 » Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:15 am

I am considering this type of tire for my restoration:

http://www.universaltire.com/truck-and- ... axion.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I dont know how to inster a picture.

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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by Cuz » Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:00 am

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700-15 STA Super Traxion

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STA: Specialty Tires of America, Inc. (formerly McCreery Tire & Rubber Co., founded in 1915) is a fully integrated manufacturer of bias ply and radial tires that are 100% Made in America.
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SKU U59132
Construction Tubeless-Type 6 ply Nylon
Load Capacity Load Range C
Single Load: 1,720 lbs. @ 45 psi
Dual Load: 1,520 lbs. @ 45 psi
Overall Diameter 30.00 inches
Tread Width 6.50 inches
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I notice they don't stock a 7.00-16 in the tire.

other options in the 7:00 x 16 size over the traditional street tread. Note: This post is dual purpose because I do have a '51 M38 (not A1) to put on the road in the next year or so too so I may go with the same tire for both jeeps.
They would be a good choice for both. I am running the Goodyear version with a very similar traed on my M37 and it performs very well. They are just a tad noisier the the NDCC's until the edges of the tread lugs wear down.

Here's the Goodyear in 7.00-16:
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The Tire's unique broad, non-directional pattern ensures Custom Xtra Grip Hi-Miler tires keep going even in the toughest weather and road conditions. For that extra grip in mud or over slippery highways. Built with the exclusive 3T processed cord for extra strength and higher mileage, its special tread rubber also adds to long tread life. The precision tread pattern design resists noise buildup, even at high speeds or on dry highways.. FEATURES BENEFITS Exclusive 3T processed cord Extra grip in mud or over slippery highways. Precision tread pattern design Extra strength and higher mileage, longer tread life. Special tread rubber Resists noise build-up

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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by Ben Dover » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:05 am

The tread depicted on the STA and the similar Goodyear "X-tra-Traction are excellent in mud and snow, however they are one of the noisiest treads in existance. The USGS CJ-3A and CJ-5 Jeeps I used to service would have those installed before sending new Jeeps into the field.
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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by Cuz » Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:51 am

Did I hear an echo! :lol:
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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by Beacher425 » Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:14 pm

I can't find the Goodyear tires on the Goodyear web site. Can you post a link for the Goodyear 7.00-16 Custom Xtra Grip Hi-Miler?

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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by Ben Dover » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:41 pm

They may be obsolete, they go back 50 years.
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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by Cuz » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:29 pm

They still sell them overseas http://www.sunlun.com.my/slc/pd_goodyear.php?type=tbus" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Goodyear Custom Xtra Grip
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This tyre's unique broad, non-directional pattern ensures Custom Xtra Grip Hi-Miler tyres keep going even in the toughest weather and road conditions.

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Tyre Size / Ply Rating / Tyre Load (kg) / Minimum Dual / Approved Rim / Rim Width
S / D S Spacing D
700 - 15 8 980 935 228 224 5.0 - 5.5 5.5
700 - 15 10 1080 1030 228 224 5.0 - 5.5 5.5
700 - 15 12 1180 1120 228 224 5.0 - 5.5 5.5
700 - 16 8 1175 1120 228 224 5.0 - 5.5 5.5
700 - 16 10 1130 1075 228 224 5.0 - 5.5 5.5
750 - 16 8 1175 1120 250 266 5.5 - 6.5 6.0
750 - 16 10 1250 1180 250 266 5.5 - 6.5 6.0
750 - 16 12 1450 1400 250 266 5.5 - 6.5 6.0

Section Width (mm) / Overall Diam.(mm) / Max Infl Pressure (psi)
352 752 62
352 752 72
352 752 82
198 778 62
194 776 72
211 805 62
211 805 76
211 805 87
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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by Ben Dover » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:53 am

The 700 X 16 are no longer available in the US of A
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Re: Modified NDT or NDCC tread tires

Post by gearhead » Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:52 am

Those STAs from Universal Tire look vintage and should function well. (can you hear me now :D :D )
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