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Development of ambulance jeep?

Post by Mark Tombleson » Sat May 06, 2017 11:44 am

Article on development of the Ambulance jeep.

http://navymedicine.navylive.dodlive.mil/archives/6505

Has anyone read any of these Sources?

Sources:

Sobocinski, Andre. “History of Navy Ambulances. Part I: The Advent of the Automobile Ambulance.” The Grog, Issue 38, 2014. Pp 16-18.
Sobocinski, Andre. “History of Navy Ambulances. Part II: Ambulances of the Great War.” The Grog, Issue 39, 2014. Pp24-25.
BUMED History Division. “Okinawa.” U.S. Navy Medical Department Administrative History. Vol. 1, Chapter XII, p13-14.

Moore, French. CO, 2d Medical Battalion, 2d Marine Division, FMF, Camp Elliott, Calif. to Commandant, USMC. 11 March 1942. N-33-3. Bureau of Medicine and Surgery Record Group (52) National Archives and Records Administration II, College Park, Md.
Moore, French. CO, 2d Medical Battalion, 2d Marine Division, FMF, Camp Elliott, Calif. to Capt. Carlton Andrus, Bureau of Medicine and Surgery. 17 March 1942. N-33-3. Bureau of Medicine and Surgery Record Group (52) National Archives and Records Administration II, College Park, Md.
Arthur, J.M. CO, HQ, 2d Marines Reinforced, to Vice Adm. Ross McIntire, Chief of BUMED. January 17, 1943. CPVN-rcs. Bureau of Medicine and Surgery Record Group (52) National Archives and Records Administration II, College Park, Md.

BUMED History Division. “Iwo Jima.” U.S. Navy Medical Department Administrative History. Vol. 1, Chapter XI, p59.
Moore Biographical Sheet. BUMED Archives.
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Post by The Fireman » Sat May 06, 2017 4:42 pm

Mark,

You did good, maybe now the "Holden" title can be put to rest !

Thank you for sharing this information, I owe you one,

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Post by cor » Sun May 07, 2017 1:26 pm

Mark, I have read the article but did not read the sources, would be interesting to go to the National archives and see if his original blueprints do still exist.
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Post by Mark Tombleson » Sun May 07, 2017 2:15 pm

First two are 2014 and are up to WWI. they can be downloaded,

I'm running into issues with the BUMED & NARA stuff... may have to go there sometime.
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Post by Mark Tombleson » Sun May 07, 2017 11:56 pm

John's link also has a link to Cor's jeep article.

http://yankreenactment.nl/jeep/the-hold ... l-details/

Those are some great photos in that Yank article. The Holden article also mirrors what I have been told over the years.

There has to be drawings of this modification somewhere... maybe those NARA sources.
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Post by cor » Mon May 08, 2017 12:47 am

The Yank Reenactment story is based on the research which was done by Frank Steel, on top of that I have found information of the use of the amb. jeep bij the Dutch Marines (RNMC) in 1946. A lot of detailed information concerning the exact way the amb jeep was made is based upon photo research. I will add the info related to Lt. Cmdr. French Moore MC, to the article on the site.
MB 102944, dec '41
gpw 24642 may '42
gpw 84272 dec '42
gpw 231072 oct '44 , usmc amb. jeep
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Post by ajlang » Tue May 09, 2017 10:37 am

Looks like at least a text version of some of the BUMED documentation is online:
https://archive.org/stream/HistoryOfThe ... 1_djvu.txt

(Battalion Aid Station will be divided three
ways and loaded in landing craft.)

c. Regimental Aid (Infantry) :

(1) Same as Battalion Aid (Infantry).

d. Artillery Regiment: H&S and Artillery
Battalions.

(1) Same as Battalion Aid (Infantry)
less 1 Jeep ambulance and 10 canvas litters.

e. Special and Service Troops:

(1) Same as Battalion Aid (Infantry)
less Jeep ambulance. Twelve folding litters in
place of canvas litters.

f. Collecting Section (Medical Company) :

(1) Same as Battalion Aid (Infantry)
less 1 Jeep ambulance and sick call chest.
Twelve folding litters in place of canvas litters.

...

Further,
the jeep ambulance was loaded with splints,
litters, blankets, extra plasma, and a compact
sick call chest.


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Post by cor » Tue May 09, 2017 1:36 pm

That's interesting: "a compact sick call chest", that is probably stored in te special medical box on the passenger side.
Is there anybody who has seen such a chest?
MB 102944, dec '41
gpw 24642 may '42
gpw 84272 dec '42
gpw 231072 oct '44 , usmc amb. jeep
MZ-2 391542 dec '44

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Post by ajlang » Tue May 09, 2017 2:53 pm

They mention 2 sick call chests here:
https://med-dept.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=911
Unit 11A: CASE, Sick Call
Unit 11B: CASE, Sick Call
I assume (maybe incorrectly) this post is referencing WW2 equipment.
I have not been able to find any info on them.
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Post by Mark Tombleson » Tue May 09, 2017 10:31 pm

Thanks Andy!

First mention of the ambulance jeeps appears to be on Saipan.
page 85.

As the battle for Saipan progressed, the
lines of communication became longer and the
need for vehicles increased. Not enough jeep
ambulances had been provided — only one was
available for each medical battalion. When
casualties were heavy, other jeeps were req-
uisitioned, but frequently the requested jeeps
were lost on the way.

Page 95 on Iwo Jima.
Figure 102. — A wounded marine brought to the beach by jeep ambulance from the
fighting front on Iwo Jima. Fifteen minutes later he was on his way to a hospital
ship off the shore of the island.
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Re: Development of ambulance jeep?

Post by ajlang » Wed May 10, 2017 2:42 am

Mark Tombleson wrote: Figure 102. — A wounded marine brought to the beach by jeep ambulance from the
fighting front on Iwo Jima. Fifteen minutes later he was on his way to a hospital
ship off the shore of the island.
Hi Mark,
This site seems to have the pictures (albeit poor quality) to go along with the text:
Here is 102:
Image

... and 74 from an earlier description:
Image
The rest are here:
https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/US ... cal-2.html
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Re: Development of ambulance jeep?

Post by The Fireman » Wed May 10, 2017 6:32 am

To all,

Here is a thread that may of some use to all of you who are interested.

http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/2 ... christ.php

Years ago, I had the pleasure of displaying my USMC ambulance jeep at a Marine Corps League gathering on the Oregon Coast. I met with the Mr. Agerholm best buddy at the gathering. This individual told me to look up Harold Agerholm and I did. I wish I could remember the gentleman's name, but alas cannot.

SF,

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Re: Development of ambulance jeep?

Post by cor » Wed May 10, 2017 2:32 pm

Frank, thanks for sharing this story, just imagine how that amb jeeps would have looked after rescuing 45 men under intense fire.
MB 102944, dec '41
gpw 24642 may '42
gpw 84272 dec '42
gpw 231072 oct '44 , usmc amb. jeep
MZ-2 391542 dec '44

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