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USN original data tag

Post by pierino » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:26 pm

I'm posting this picture for a friend of mine, Leo Jankowski http://www.g503.com/forums/memberlist.p ... ile&u=1513" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
that is a fellow GP restorer here on the G! :)

he owns this original USN jeep, and would like to have as much information as possible about her.

here the US Navy Data tag which is mounted on the outside of the cowl on the driver side of his 42 GPW serial #70239. The tag is about 2 inches by 3 inches and has a US Navy contract number as well as a fleet serial number on the tag. It is held on by 4 drive nails.

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any comment will be highly appreciated!

ciao
maurizio
1938 Ford Eifel
1941 Dodge WC21
1941 Ford GP
1942 Ford GTB, matching #'s
1943 Huffman model 81
1943 R.I.A. Hand Cart M3A4
1943 Willys MB
1943 Highway Trailer K-38
1944 Ford GPW, matching #'s
1944 Cushman 39G
1944 Harley WLA
1944 Converto Dump 1/2 Ton
1944 VW TYP166 Schwimmwagen
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Re: USN original data tag

Post by Mark Tombleson » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:51 pm

All I can post is my standard article... posted many times.

Your friend's jeep may be in number 2... or number 3 below. There were a lot of different dash property tags. This one is new to me.


Three kinds of jeeps were used by the Navy/USMC.

1. Contract jeeps, i.e. MB-NOM, MB-NOM-12, MB-NAVY-MZ-1, MB-NAVY-MZ-2, MB-NB. To date it appears contract documents have yet to be found on Navy/USMC jeeps. We know they were produced, but in most cases not how many.
There was a Navy order for Ford GP's, a 1/2 dozen or so........ Painted the same as the one USMC GP..........Lusterless Olive Drab.

2. Jeeps under contract with the Army that were diverted under some kind of agreement with the Navy.
This includes 50 MA viewtopic.php?t=19081" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
653 GPW made in 1942 under QMC contract 11424 and 1310 MB in 1945 under ORD 33-019-3339.
So far the only difference between a standard jeep and these diverted jeeps may be in lieu of a USA number at the factory, these jeeps may have had USN marked on them or unmarked at all.

3. Jeeps obtained by the Navy/USMC by whatever means from the Army, used as Navy/USMC jeeps.

The Navy sometimes used inventory tags, dash tags, to keep track of jeeps on a base, but this may be post war, or maybe for stateside jeeps.

So getting back to the point, how to tell if your jeep was first used by the Navy. It is a case by case issue. Certain features were used on Navy jeeps, hooks and rings. Obviously if your jeep was painted forest green or one of the Navy greys, then it may have been used by the Navy. Dash tags and other similar radio equipment tags may still be on the jeep. Navy or USMC numbers on the hood or above and below the side grab bars may be under layers of paint.




Navy jeeps when marked as such seem to have registration (serial) numbers from 5000+/- (revised) at the start of the war and 300000 at the end.

USMC jeeps seem to be marked 37000+/- to around 120000. (Revised)
MB-NAVY-MZ-1 352625 - 07/20/44 (DOD est.)
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Re: USN original data tag

Post by pierino » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:54 am

Mark Tombleson wrote:All I can post is my standard article... posted many times.
Hi Mark,

I didn't go through the archive... Leo would have done his homeworks for sure... :wink:

...There were a lot of different dash property tags. This one is new to me.
so, at least, we all learned something new today! 8)

ciao
maurizio
1938 Ford Eifel
1941 Dodge WC21
1941 Ford GP
1942 Ford GTB, matching #'s
1943 Huffman model 81
1943 R.I.A. Hand Cart M3A4
1943 Willys MB
1943 Highway Trailer K-38
1944 Ford GPW, matching #'s
1944 Cushman 39G
1944 Harley WLA
1944 Converto Dump 1/2 Ton
1944 VW TYP166 Schwimmwagen
1944 Chevrolet G-7163 K-44
1960 Willys MB-T
1943 Stinson L-5 SOLD w/sadness

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Re: USN original data tag

Post by Mark Tombleson » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:39 am

I did not see his jeep in the G503 list.

What is his frame and hood number so we can see if it may be one of the 653 on the list?
MB-NAVY-MZ-1 352625 - 07/20/44 (DOD est.)
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Re: USN original data tag

Post by pierino » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:59 am

frame is GPW70239, as I wrote on my first topic... about USA numbers, I think that Leo told me that he found nothing on the OD oldest layer of paint.

but you can PM him at the reference above! :D


ciao and THANKS!

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1938 Ford Eifel
1941 Dodge WC21
1941 Ford GP
1942 Ford GTB, matching #'s
1943 Huffman model 81
1943 R.I.A. Hand Cart M3A4
1943 Willys MB
1943 Highway Trailer K-38
1944 Ford GPW, matching #'s
1944 Cushman 39G
1944 Harley WLA
1944 Converto Dump 1/2 Ton
1944 VW TYP166 Schwimmwagen
1944 Chevrolet G-7163 K-44
1960 Willys MB-T
1943 Stinson L-5 SOLD w/sadness

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Re: USN original data tag

Post by Fred Coldwell » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:01 pm

Hi Perino:

Here is a little more information on the Navy abbreviations used on Leo's data tag:

"NOd" is the symbol used by the Navy's Bureau of Supply and Accounts to mean either (1) a "Contract for Adjutant-General" and (2) a "Contract written by Secretary of Navy's Office". So it appears that the Contract # 1626 was a contract entered into by either the Adjutant-General or by the Secretary of Navy's Office on behalf of the BU. ORD. ("Bureau of Ordnance") regarding or somehow involving this jeep. Only a tidbit, for sure, but now you are a bit closer to knowing more about Leo's data tag. :)
Happy Jeep Trails,

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Re: USN original data tag

Post by Mark Tombleson » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:16 pm

I would put too much faith into which Bureau we are talking about Fred.

You know as well as I that the Navy screwed around with these contracts big time. We need a map or some type of flow chart. :lol:

I did a short search and found this.

http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=131642" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NXss is BU Ships, but there is a lot of interaction as far as the "last letter" goes. Y for Yards and Docks, R for Radio, as well as every or Bureau including BuOrd. See here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... eau_system" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

All the contract jeeps and radios were under BuShips, but a lot of contract for stuff for Willy-Overland went thru BuOrd... and who wrote the contracts... I can't remember right now but you and I discussed that also.

I know it is safe to say it was a Navy contract... some kind of deal with the Army but who procured the GPW and what was it used for?

I wish I could remember all the bloody searches I have done on this topic. :?

I just remembered all the Navy jeeps I have purchase orders on when they were surplused was thru Yards and Docks. :wink:
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Re: USN original data tag

Post by gpwmke » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:05 pm

Hello gentlemen and a BIG THANK YOU to Maurizio for posting my data tag on this forum. I know in the past I have sent copies of this picture out but I could never figure out how to post it on the G. This jeep was 10 serial numbers away from GPW 70219 which someone in Ohio I think sold recently on ebay. We had corresponded on occasion and though he found some Navy numbers stencilled on his unit to date I have not found any on mine. I wanted to get the data plate out there to see if anyone knew anything about this contract. The serial number on the tag was also stamped into the body and is partially covered by the tagbut it is the same number. My best guess is it was one of the 653 in Sept./Oct of 1942. The DOD on this was Oct. 3,1942 and the frame and glove box tag match (GPW 70239) unfortunately the engine was not with the vehicle when I bought it. It spent most of it's civilian life in Northern Wisconsin and may have come out of Great Lakes Naval Base or Glenview NAS after the war, but this is also a guess. I have seen one more jeep with a tag like this many years ago in a suburb of Milwaukee, but do not know what happened to this other jeep. My unit has a narrow neck gas tank and it was not equiped from the factoru with a gas can carrier. It did have all 3 glove box tags and this Navy tag was fastened with drive nails to the outside of the cowl on driver side above the step. Again if anyone knows more about the contract number I would like to hear about it. Best wishes; Leo

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Re: USN original data tag

Post by Fred Coldwell » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:21 pm

Hi Mark:

Thanks for the Navy wikipedia reference,there's plenty of good information there. :) Here is another resource I've found helpful for decoding WW II era Navy abbreviations:

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref ... P1000.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Enjoy!
Happy Jeep Trails,

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Re: USN original data tag

Post by gpwmke » Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:05 am

Does anyone have an idea how to reference this contract number. Perhaps this could explain the 653? GPW's that went to the Navy in 1942. Best wishes; Leo

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Re: USN original data tag

Post by Mark Tombleson » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:21 am

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This is all I have.
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Re: USN original data tag

Post by gpwmke » Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:16 am

Thanks Mark for all the help. Now if we could find some way to cross reference the Navy contract to the Army contrat for the 653 GPW's to the Navy. Best wishes; Leo

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Re: USN original data tag

Post by nirvana » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:36 am

I've got GPW 70219, part of the Navy Contract Also....

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Re: USN original data tag

Post by Dixiejarhead » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:17 pm

I have 70355 GPW, dont know if it's navy or not, but suspect it may well be.
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Re: USN original data tag

Post by The Fireman » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:19 am

Mark T and Fred C,

I am getting a little bit confused here. As I try to understand this, the 653 plus 9 GPW's that were assigned to the Navy Dept were part of an Army Contract, is this correct ? If this is correct, would these jeeps be just run of the mill GPW's ? How does the GPW serial number figure into this Army Contract ? Where does it start and end and are the serial numbers consectitive or were the X number of GPW's just taken from this mass contract without regard to the GPW serial number ? For the P.O. # T-6221, there appears to be 63,146 plus or minus GPW's.

Forgive me if this has all been explained before, just wondering,

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