Restoration of Ford M8 armoured car U.S Ordnance number 7373
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Re: Restoration of Ford M8 armoured car U.S Ordnance number 7373
Hi GreyWulf,
That is very kind of you to say. I have had a lot of help though!
Many thanks.
That is very kind of you to say. I have had a lot of help though!
Many thanks.
Darryl Lennane
NZ
1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
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Re: Restoration of Ford M8 armoured car U.S Ordnance number 7373
Darrell
For your future reference, I proved yesterday that it is possible to remove a Greyhound petrol pump from above rather than from below.
I just could not be stuffed struggling with that splash shield again. Those things take the patience of a saint to get in and out. Being a wizz at solving Rubik's Cubes would also be a definite qualification.
Leak fixed.
Now to reverse the process.
Sigh...........
Regards
Doug
For your future reference, I proved yesterday that it is possible to remove a Greyhound petrol pump from above rather than from below.
I just could not be stuffed struggling with that splash shield again. Those things take the patience of a saint to get in and out. Being a wizz at solving Rubik's Cubes would also be a definite qualification.
Leak fixed.
Now to reverse the process.
Sigh...........
Regards
Doug
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Re: Restoration of Ford M8 armoured car U.S Ordnance number 7373
Hi Doug
Sounds like something I need to avoid. Did you take any photos of the process by chance?
Sounds like something I need to avoid. Did you take any photos of the process by chance?
Darryl Lennane
NZ
1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
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Re: Restoration of Ford M8 armoured car U.S Ordnance number 7373
Hi all,
Here are a few more progress photos from the last couple of days.
All the radio wiring and conduit is in now, some albeit temporarily. I didn't have any pictures of this cabling before I started so these photos might be handy for anyone else doing this sort of restoration.
I haven’t connected the cordage to the BC606’s for the commander and loader yet. Once I have the radios and a battery in, I will check that the system is working with the BC606’s for the driver and co-driver before connecting the other two BC606’s. I don’t see any point in complicating things until I know I have wired it right.
The mounting of the conduit and piping holding the CO213 cordage is not finalised yet as you can see by the cable ties. You probably get the idea though. I could use some of the correct conduit clamps if anyone has any. My homemade ones just aren’t quite the right shape. I am still finalising the layout and there is a possibility I will have to move the cabling/conduit in the hull to get the firewall in, as that is a tight fit, and not something I am looking forward to fitting. I still have some routing of the wiring to tidy up but I think it is pretty close to how I want it.
The steering box and clutch and brake pedal assembly are next so that I can sort out the hydraulics and instrument panel wiring. I managed to make one pushrod that I needed for the master cylinders and I have the other one coming (thanks John).
Here are a few more progress photos from the last couple of days.
All the radio wiring and conduit is in now, some albeit temporarily. I didn't have any pictures of this cabling before I started so these photos might be handy for anyone else doing this sort of restoration.
I haven’t connected the cordage to the BC606’s for the commander and loader yet. Once I have the radios and a battery in, I will check that the system is working with the BC606’s for the driver and co-driver before connecting the other two BC606’s. I don’t see any point in complicating things until I know I have wired it right.
The mounting of the conduit and piping holding the CO213 cordage is not finalised yet as you can see by the cable ties. You probably get the idea though. I could use some of the correct conduit clamps if anyone has any. My homemade ones just aren’t quite the right shape. I am still finalising the layout and there is a possibility I will have to move the cabling/conduit in the hull to get the firewall in, as that is a tight fit, and not something I am looking forward to fitting. I still have some routing of the wiring to tidy up but I think it is pretty close to how I want it.
The steering box and clutch and brake pedal assembly are next so that I can sort out the hydraulics and instrument panel wiring. I managed to make one pushrod that I needed for the master cylinders and I have the other one coming (thanks John).
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Darryl Lennane
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1943 Willys MB
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1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
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Re: Restoration of Ford M8 armoured car U.S Ordnance number 7373
Sorry, I was too busy struggling.
One of those jobs where undoing the 2 nuts that hold it to the engine block has to be done by feel
and hex by hex.
Then the darn thing would only move about 1cm and fought me the rest of the way off the studs.
One of those jobs where undoing the 2 nuts that hold it to the engine block has to be done by feel
and hex by hex.
Then the darn thing would only move about 1cm and fought me the rest of the way off the studs.
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Re: Restoration of Ford M8 armoured car U.S Ordnance number 7373
Stelan has NOS hardware boxes for sale. Try to contact him.
here are the links:
https://www.jeepsudest.com/boutique/191 ... ule-type2/
https://www.jeepsudest.com/boutique/191 ... ule-type1/
ciao
m
here are the links:
https://www.jeepsudest.com/boutique/191 ... ule-type2/
https://www.jeepsudest.com/boutique/191 ... ule-type1/
ciao
m
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Re: Restoration of Ford M8 armoured car U.S Ordnance number 7373
Hi Seacon,
Thanks for that. I actually have the second kit but even then I needed some more of a bigger type clamp to hold the conduit to the hull. I have made some more of these clamps now so we will see how they go.
That first kit you listed actually looks very good and it includes new fixing points for welding to the hull. I had to make a few of these up so I wish I had spotted that kit!
Thanks for that. I actually have the second kit but even then I needed some more of a bigger type clamp to hold the conduit to the hull. I have made some more of these clamps now so we will see how they go.
That first kit you listed actually looks very good and it includes new fixing points for welding to the hull. I had to make a few of these up so I wish I had spotted that kit!
Darryl Lennane
NZ
1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
NZ
1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
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Re: Restoration of Ford M8 armoured car U.S Ordnance number 7373
Hi all,
Here is what I’ve been busy with over the last few days.
I fabricated a couple of pieces for the pushrods for the brake and clutch master cylinders, so I’ve now been able to mount the clutch and brake pedal assembly. The pushrod pieces aren’t my best work but they will do until if/when I source some new ones. I have some NOS return springs coming (thanks Philippe). I took some extra photos of the clutch and brake pedal assembly as I didn’t have a lot of photos of the layout. It is quite heavy and I had to use wooden blocks to hold this up while I bolted it in place. It is really a two man job to bolt it in but there isn’t room for two people in there!
The handbrake is now mounted. The mounting holes required 3/8” UNC bolts which had me fooled for a while. Most of the other stuff is UNF. The sector gear on the handbrake was pretty corroded and is not great but we’ll see how it goes.
I’ve fitted the steering box. I’ve used a grease and oil slurry in the steering box rather than just straight oil. The vehicle will be sitting around a lot and it might help prevent leaks. It has been sitting for a while now with no leaks so I have my fingers crossed.
I’ve done some touching up of the various mounting bolts in the front of the hull with the modeller’s paint but I still need to do a bit more.
I also starting routing the wiring for the instrument panel. I forgot to take the circuit diagram with me so I haven’t got this right yet and still have some work to do on it the next time I am in the workshop.
Next will be sorting out the hydraulic lines. I note in the parts manual that there are two different versions of the layout for the fuel primer pump. The version described as the ‘old primer installation’ has a fuel line from the fuel filter to the primer pump and a line from the primer pump to the fuel pump. The ‘new primer installation’ seems to have a third line for an engine setup with a vacuum pump. The old layout seems like the most straightforward way to set up the primer pump. Has anyone got any other thoughts?
I need to join a couple of pieces of brass braided conduit. What method do you guys use for that? I’ve heard of copper sheet being used to join pieces. What about the brass fittings on the end of these bits of conduit? Are these ‘sweated on’ to the braided conduit?
Does anyone recognise the single conduit with the fitting on the end of it in the photo? I’m told it is M8/M20 but just not sure what it is for.
I’m working on the markings etc to paint on the vehicle so am looking for some advice on that. I am talking to a couple of suppliers of paint stencil kits so I get the correct sized stars etc. I want the vehicle to have the markings of the US 86th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron Mechanised, 6th Armored Division. Can any of the experts on here advise the correct unit numbering? Presumably something like ‘6 Δ 86C’? What about Company/Troop numbering?
Here is what I’ve been busy with over the last few days.
I fabricated a couple of pieces for the pushrods for the brake and clutch master cylinders, so I’ve now been able to mount the clutch and brake pedal assembly. The pushrod pieces aren’t my best work but they will do until if/when I source some new ones. I have some NOS return springs coming (thanks Philippe). I took some extra photos of the clutch and brake pedal assembly as I didn’t have a lot of photos of the layout. It is quite heavy and I had to use wooden blocks to hold this up while I bolted it in place. It is really a two man job to bolt it in but there isn’t room for two people in there!
The handbrake is now mounted. The mounting holes required 3/8” UNC bolts which had me fooled for a while. Most of the other stuff is UNF. The sector gear on the handbrake was pretty corroded and is not great but we’ll see how it goes.
I’ve fitted the steering box. I’ve used a grease and oil slurry in the steering box rather than just straight oil. The vehicle will be sitting around a lot and it might help prevent leaks. It has been sitting for a while now with no leaks so I have my fingers crossed.
I’ve done some touching up of the various mounting bolts in the front of the hull with the modeller’s paint but I still need to do a bit more.
I also starting routing the wiring for the instrument panel. I forgot to take the circuit diagram with me so I haven’t got this right yet and still have some work to do on it the next time I am in the workshop.
Next will be sorting out the hydraulic lines. I note in the parts manual that there are two different versions of the layout for the fuel primer pump. The version described as the ‘old primer installation’ has a fuel line from the fuel filter to the primer pump and a line from the primer pump to the fuel pump. The ‘new primer installation’ seems to have a third line for an engine setup with a vacuum pump. The old layout seems like the most straightforward way to set up the primer pump. Has anyone got any other thoughts?
I need to join a couple of pieces of brass braided conduit. What method do you guys use for that? I’ve heard of copper sheet being used to join pieces. What about the brass fittings on the end of these bits of conduit? Are these ‘sweated on’ to the braided conduit?
Does anyone recognise the single conduit with the fitting on the end of it in the photo? I’m told it is M8/M20 but just not sure what it is for.
I’m working on the markings etc to paint on the vehicle so am looking for some advice on that. I am talking to a couple of suppliers of paint stencil kits so I get the correct sized stars etc. I want the vehicle to have the markings of the US 86th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron Mechanised, 6th Armored Division. Can any of the experts on here advise the correct unit numbering? Presumably something like ‘6 Δ 86C’? What about Company/Troop numbering?
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1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
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Re: Restoration of Ford M8 armoured car U.S Ordnance number 7373
Hi all,
I’ve been continuing with the wiring on the M8 over the last week or so. I first had to spend some time vacuuming out the channels in the hull where the wiring and hydraulic lines go. It’s amazing how much they fill up with the grit from the blasting.
The instrument panel wiring is in now and the instrument wiring is connected to the rear terminal box. I’ve also been putting together the front wiring assembly. I didn’t have all of the original conduit so I’ve had to make a few pieces up and thanks to Willy for his guidance on these. I think what I’ve come up with is pretty close to correct. I am still needing a couple of the conduit unions for the brake light switch which I will keep an eye out for. The conduit I have for the compass is pretty worn so I will make up another piece for this.
I still need to connect the wires to the correct terminals on the headlight switch. Can anyone confirm what the different abbreviations on the headlight switch shown on the photo stand for?
Is this correct?
SS = Service Stop lights?
S = Service Head and Tail?
BS = Black out stop lights?
HT =
TT =
BHT = Black out head and tail lights?
B =
What do the others stand for? Is 'B' for battery? The circuit diagrams in the manual give terminal numbers on the headlight switch, but not the corresponding abbreviation above. There should be 6 different connections to the headlight switch so I''m keen to get this right first time.
The 12 volt power supply line to both sponsons for the radios is installed now along with the wiring in the junction box on the engine cross member. Can anyone confirm the wiring conduits that come out of this junction block? I have cables for ‘Gas’, ‘Oil’, ‘Temp’, ‘Solenoid’ and overhead filter to the coil. Is that correct? I am actually missing one of the wee plates as per the photo if anyone has a spare.
I’ve found that the conduit for the siren has to be in a very tight curl to get it to fit, so I will need to experiment further with that.
I’ve talked to the engineering guys who are doing the spark erosion on the two screws holding the recoil system onto the mantlet. They think the screws are too big for that and are looking at other options. I’ll let you know how I get on.
Thanks to Seacon, I’ve finalised the Company and Troop markings so will get the stencils for those sorted out ASAP.
The hull is going to be moved in the workshop this week which will allow me better access to it and I hope to have the front axle and springs fitted in the next week or so.
I’ve been continuing with the wiring on the M8 over the last week or so. I first had to spend some time vacuuming out the channels in the hull where the wiring and hydraulic lines go. It’s amazing how much they fill up with the grit from the blasting.
The instrument panel wiring is in now and the instrument wiring is connected to the rear terminal box. I’ve also been putting together the front wiring assembly. I didn’t have all of the original conduit so I’ve had to make a few pieces up and thanks to Willy for his guidance on these. I think what I’ve come up with is pretty close to correct. I am still needing a couple of the conduit unions for the brake light switch which I will keep an eye out for. The conduit I have for the compass is pretty worn so I will make up another piece for this.
I still need to connect the wires to the correct terminals on the headlight switch. Can anyone confirm what the different abbreviations on the headlight switch shown on the photo stand for?
Is this correct?
SS = Service Stop lights?
S = Service Head and Tail?
BS = Black out stop lights?
HT =
TT =
BHT = Black out head and tail lights?
B =
What do the others stand for? Is 'B' for battery? The circuit diagrams in the manual give terminal numbers on the headlight switch, but not the corresponding abbreviation above. There should be 6 different connections to the headlight switch so I''m keen to get this right first time.
The 12 volt power supply line to both sponsons for the radios is installed now along with the wiring in the junction box on the engine cross member. Can anyone confirm the wiring conduits that come out of this junction block? I have cables for ‘Gas’, ‘Oil’, ‘Temp’, ‘Solenoid’ and overhead filter to the coil. Is that correct? I am actually missing one of the wee plates as per the photo if anyone has a spare.
I’ve found that the conduit for the siren has to be in a very tight curl to get it to fit, so I will need to experiment further with that.
I’ve talked to the engineering guys who are doing the spark erosion on the two screws holding the recoil system onto the mantlet. They think the screws are too big for that and are looking at other options. I’ll let you know how I get on.
Thanks to Seacon, I’ve finalised the Company and Troop markings so will get the stencils for those sorted out ASAP.
The hull is going to be moved in the workshop this week which will allow me better access to it and I hope to have the front axle and springs fitted in the next week or so.
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Darryl Lennane
NZ
1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
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1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
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Re: Restoration of Ford M8 armoured car U.S Ordnance number 7373
Absolutely superb work. Well done!
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Hi Oz,
Thanks for that. I have almost finished a restoration on a White Scout Car as well so I will be watching the restoration of your one with interest.
Thanks for that. I have almost finished a restoration on a White Scout Car as well so I will be watching the restoration of your one with interest.
Darryl Lennane
NZ
1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
NZ
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1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
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1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
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Hi Darryl The main lighting switch in question appears to be the standard US military push-pull type.
The break down on the light switch codes is as follows
S-Service Signal Light
BS-Blackout Signal Light
TT-Trailer Tail Lights
HT-Service Headlights and Service Tail Lights
BHT-Blackout Front Lights and Blackout Tail Lights.
SS-Signal Light Switch.
SW-Signal Light Switch Feed.
A-Auxiliary Feed
B-Battery.
The term Signal Light or Signal Switch refers to Brake Light or Brake light Switch.
HTH
Dave
The break down on the light switch codes is as follows
S-Service Signal Light
BS-Blackout Signal Light
TT-Trailer Tail Lights
HT-Service Headlights and Service Tail Lights
BHT-Blackout Front Lights and Blackout Tail Lights.
SS-Signal Light Switch.
SW-Signal Light Switch Feed.
A-Auxiliary Feed
B-Battery.
The term Signal Light or Signal Switch refers to Brake Light or Brake light Switch.
HTH
Dave
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Hi Dave
Awesome! That's a big help and just what I needed. I couldn't see anything on line or in the manuals to confirm that so much appreciated.
Awesome! That's a big help and just what I needed. I couldn't see anything on line or in the manuals to confirm that so much appreciated.
Darryl Lennane
NZ
1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
NZ
1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
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Congrats, you just went over 20,000 hits on your thread. Thanks for posting the candid info and pictures of your project. Everything you add here will be a help to all of us even in our different projects.
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Hi Oz,
Many thanks for the kind words.
Many thanks for the kind words.
Darryl Lennane
NZ
1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
NZ
1943 Willys MB
1941 LP2A MG Carrier
1943 White M3A1 AOP
1942 Willys MBT
1944 Ford M8 Armoured Car
1945 Ford M20 Armoured Car
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