122nd project Mule

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122nd project Mule

Post by atavuss » Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:45 am

nice site with a photo documention of tear down of three a5 Mules to make one unit:
http://www.122nd.com/projects/Mule/m274a5.htm
if you have time check out their other completed projects
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Post by Emmett Thompson » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:13 am

A bit mis leading there.

This should be a good thread to dispell many roumors about the different models of M-274's
First off, I have never seen a mule, A-5 or what ever, with "electronic ignition". I would love to be disproved on that statement.
The first M-274 is the base line ( the A-nothing)
I believe the A1 had some differences like seals and the magnito was an impluse type.
I also believe that all mules EXCEPT the A-5 had Mag wheels and deck. The A-5 wheels (aluminum) have "alcoa" stamped on them.

I think the A-3 and A-4 were upgrades of the A-nothing, and A-2's where they replaced the Willys 4 cyl engine (having to install blocks to raise the deck).
Not sure if I have my numbers correct, but this should be a good thread to sort all the models out.

One of the reason the 4 cyl mule (A-nothing up to A2) is rare, is because many of them were upgraded with the 2 cyl engine thereby making them A-3's and A-4's. Or something like that.

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Post by blackdog » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:00 am

Ouch, they got hit really hard by Katrina.... check out some of their other photo pages..

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MULE WITH ELECTRONIC IGNITION

Post by LANCE MILLER » Mon May 01, 2006 6:22 am

I do not know what kind of proof you are looking for that mules had electronic ignition, but I can assure you that they exist. The wide tire A5's with electric start that the 101st used had electronic ignition. My father has several examples of these.

A3's are retrofitted M274's
A4's are retrofitted M274A1's
A2's are factory produced
M274-M274A4 have magnesium deck, wheels, axle housings, etc.
A5's have aluminium deck, wheels, axle housings

Something I have noticed especially of mules that were in service into the 80's that parts were interchanged between models. I have rebuilt mules that were bought from DRMO's by my dad that have A5 decks on A2-a4 chassis. This was very common with mules he had bought from Ft. Cambell.

Hope this helps you.

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Post by Emmett Thompson » Mon May 01, 2006 10:03 am

Lance,
I would like to see a photo of the electronic ignition units. I don't doubt that there would be one but have never seen one. I assume that it does not have a magnito? Did it come from the factory with the electronic ignition or was that a MWO upgrade?

By now I should know better than to say NEVER when it comes to MV's.

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Post by LANCE MILLER » Mon May 01, 2006 12:23 pm

Emmett
I'll get some pictures when I get a chance. The magnito is replaced with a distributor of some sort. It uses the case of a regular fairbanks morse mag,but has electronic internals. It does not need a power feed to it however. I'm not sure how they work but they donot pulse like a regular mag. From the mules that I have seen this on which have been always wide tire, electric start ones from FT. Cambell, they were probally a MWO. I'm not sure if the 101st did this or what. I can tell from my experience and that of others that this set up wasn't the most reliable. Again I'll work on getting pictures.

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Post by Chuck W. » Mon May 01, 2006 1:40 pm

Seems like I remember an electronic ignition conversion for the 5Kw/2AO42 gen sets.....maybe it works on a Mule, too. Would lke to see photos and hear more about this.
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Pictures of mule electronic ignition

Post by LANCE MILLER » Tue May 02, 2006 4:08 am

I took pictures last night if someone can post them, I'll email them to you.

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Post by Rod » Tue May 02, 2006 4:49 am

These are the pictures that Lance sent me -


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Post by Emmett Thompson » Wed May 03, 2006 5:18 am

Lance,
I have to eat crow on that!
I saw a setup like that on a genset once but did'nt open up what I thought was a Mag.
Very cool.
Thanks for the photo.
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Post by LANCE MILLER » Wed May 03, 2006 6:23 am

No problem.
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Post by Rod » Wed May 03, 2006 6:08 pm

ET,

How did you fix that crow?

Myself, when I have had to eat crow, I like it slow roasted with carrots, onions and potatoes.
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