slat grill and not script
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slat grill and not script
Hi folks,
Is it possible slat grill but without script at the rear?
My body number is 4454 (from dezember/1941) but it do not have script.
Thanks,
Kerlly
Is it possible slat grill but without script at the rear?
My body number is 4454 (from dezember/1941) but it do not have script.
Thanks,
Kerlly
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Hi, I do believe I have read somewhere that some of the early jeeps didn`t have the script,but can`t off hand recall where I saw it,but don`t know when and for how long it was before the script was added.
Maybe some of the other G`ers will come in on this question.
Geoff
Maybe some of the other G`ers will come in on this question.
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I dont think I ever heard of any MB slats without the "script" on the back because earlier MB had the script and later ones also. A more likely scenario would be that the back panel was replaced at some point.
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Yep, you are right, Geoff. It is there in AAW Vol. II. I SUUUURE would like to see those pics(and pics of the data plates). If what Crowdery states is true, my opinion is that they would be within the very last group of slats to be manufactured, when they were getting ready to switch over to the stamped grills and unmarked body tubs. I just dont see it happening in the beginning and middle of slat production, especially December. The unmarked tubs being delivered to the assembly plants before any of the stamped grills arrived?? This is just conjecture on my part, and I guess anything is possible. Does anyone out there own one of these slats and could confirm Crowdery's statement??
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Hi Michael,
It`s interesting in that it appears in the book to give the impression that both Willy`s and Ford had unstamped back panels.
My guess would have been at the start of the slat grills that they may not have had the script,but thats pure conjecture on my part.
Looking in TM 10-1206 dec 41 and in TM 10-1186 July 43 no script on any of the rear views in either of those,even the MA doesn`t appear to have it either in those manuals.
Geoff
It`s interesting in that it appears in the book to give the impression that both Willy`s and Ford had unstamped back panels.
My guess would have been at the start of the slat grills that they may not have had the script,but thats pure conjecture on my part.
Looking in TM 10-1206 dec 41 and in TM 10-1186 July 43 no script on any of the rear views in either of those,even the MA doesn`t appear to have it either in those manuals.
Geoff
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Hi Geoff. Not sure if I agree with the first MBs not having a script. A couple people here have mentioned seeing pictures of MB-100001 (not sure what book they are referring to though). Do those pictures include the rear panel?
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I heard that some MA's didn't have a Willys stamped grill but never heard about the unstamped tubs.
Correction I meant stamped hood above the grill.
Correction I meant stamped hood above the grill.
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HI Todd,
It was only a guess,pure conjecture on my part that it may have been the very first batch of jeeps that didn`t have a rear script panel.
The manuals I have which I quoted in my previous post do have three quarter rear pictures of both the MA and the Slat grill and appears there is no script on either, Ok they are parts manuals and maybe the pictures were retouched removing the script but it does show the script on the front of the three quarter view of the MA.
My guess was based that it would have been the most likely time for them not to have the script if there indeed was a time that it was missing.
If the MA didn`t have it on the rear panel it`s possible it may not have been on the very first few.but again pure conjecture.
Other posts refering to script panels being covered over could that be a military requirement at the time both Willy`s and Ford were required to stop the scripting? just a thought or question to be raised.
The AAW vol 11 shows both scripted panels of Ford and Willy`s and just mentions that there are pictures of very early jeeps without the script but doesn`t give any further information other than that.
The very mention of very early jeeps also made me think of the first few too
Geoff
It was only a guess,pure conjecture on my part that it may have been the very first batch of jeeps that didn`t have a rear script panel.
The manuals I have which I quoted in my previous post do have three quarter rear pictures of both the MA and the Slat grill and appears there is no script on either, Ok they are parts manuals and maybe the pictures were retouched removing the script but it does show the script on the front of the three quarter view of the MA.
My guess was based that it would have been the most likely time for them not to have the script if there indeed was a time that it was missing.
If the MA didn`t have it on the rear panel it`s possible it may not have been on the very first few.but again pure conjecture.
Other posts refering to script panels being covered over could that be a military requirement at the time both Willy`s and Ford were required to stop the scripting? just a thought or question to be raised.
The AAW vol 11 shows both scripted panels of Ford and Willy`s and just mentions that there are pictures of very early jeeps without the script but doesn`t give any further information other than that.
The very mention of very early jeeps also made me think of the first few too
Geoff
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Hi Guys,
Another thought has cropped up in my mind,yeah sorry about that guys:lol:
I often have this problem !!!!!!!!!
But When one thinks of early jeeps the first thing that comes to mind is the serial number,but were refering to the body tubs not the chassis.
On an unrelated forum here on the gee well I believe it was unrelated a question arose regarding the stamping of the toe gusset and when it may have been done.
I believe the outcome was that the gussets were stamped seperate from the tubs or prior to fitting to the tubs if I recall correctly.of course this may also be conjecture a very handy word that.
Well anyway the original post above was refering to a slat with a body number of 4454but how do we know that indeed that was the 4,454th body it certainly was the 4,454th gusset maybe food for thought here?
Geoff
Another thought has cropped up in my mind,yeah sorry about that guys:lol:
I often have this problem !!!!!!!!!
But When one thinks of early jeeps the first thing that comes to mind is the serial number,but were refering to the body tubs not the chassis.
On an unrelated forum here on the gee well I believe it was unrelated a question arose regarding the stamping of the toe gusset and when it may have been done.
I believe the outcome was that the gussets were stamped seperate from the tubs or prior to fitting to the tubs if I recall correctly.of course this may also be conjecture a very handy word that.
Well anyway the original post above was refering to a slat with a body number of 4454but how do we know that indeed that was the 4,454th body it certainly was the 4,454th gusset maybe food for thought here?
Geoff
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Hi Luc. Where did you see the pictures of MB-100001? I don't think the MA rear panel is interchangeable with the MB rear panel is it? If they were, I can see MB panels without the script, but if you have designed the tooling to have the WILLYS script, it could be hard to NOT stamp the panel without modifying the tooling. Again, this all depends on whether the WILLYS stamp was a separate task or part of a single stamping of the entire panel.
Jeff: Not sure on MB-100005. When I saw it, it was packed in on a shelf at Dan's shop. I did see the frame tag since it was sticking out from the pile.
Geoff: I don't think the toe gusset was stamped separtely. A good example of why it probably wasn't done is the CJ-2A bodies. The tailgate and the toe board gussetts have the same number. It would be a nightmare to have to keep track of the toe board gusset and the tailgate to make sure they are on the same body. I think the bodies were in a jig and when the welding was finished, it was stamped.
Jeff: Not sure on MB-100005. When I saw it, it was packed in on a shelf at Dan's shop. I did see the frame tag since it was sticking out from the pile.
Geoff: I don't think the toe gusset was stamped separtely. A good example of why it probably wasn't done is the CJ-2A bodies. The tailgate and the toe board gussetts have the same number. It would be a nightmare to have to keep track of the toe board gusset and the tailgate to make sure they are on the same body. I think the bodies were in a jig and when the welding was finished, it was stamped.
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1941 MB - 100063 - X12? - Willys Factory Test Mule
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1945 CJ2A-10012
Wanted: serial # for GPW with hood # 2058856.
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