A-641 Pedal draft grommet

Post by **Chris Fourroux** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:21 pm

A-641 Pedal draft grommet
This is the round rubber draft pad or seal used on the brake and clutch pedals. I've seen reproductions of A-6359, the jute pad, and the ford felt pad, but I have yet to find a replacement for the good old early slat grill rubber one.
Have any of you?
I have one original, I think, but it is in really bad shape. I don't even know if it could be used as a model to make reproductions.
it may not be original as the TM's and Nabholtz say the spring and washer were not used until the switch to the jute seal, and mine had the spring and washer on it.
Does anyone know if this grommet was originally installed around the hole in the floor like the wiring grommets? or under it like a later pad?

Bill Eldred · Post by **Bill Eldred** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:29 pm

Show us a picture Chris. Like yours mine has the spring and washer setup.

Post by **Chris Fourroux** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:03 pm

close up shots always seem to come out a little fuzzy for me.
but anyway, it looks like an O ring. come to think of it, this jeep had two of them, but I acidentally destroyed one of them before I figured out it might be significant. I'll have to go check my other slat.

Bill Eldred · Post by **Bill Eldred** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:28 pm

Does it look like it was made from hard rubber or a soft spongy type?

Post by **Chris Fourroux** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:44 pm

It's hard to tell now Bill. but it does feel a little spongey.

Bill Eldred · Post by **Bill Eldred** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:30 pm

Wonder if it could be made from the same material that is used on window seals. I would like to see some demensions maybe we can come up with something.

Post by **Chris Fourroux** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:41 am

I just checked my other slat. it also has two rubber draft pads withered and cracked with age. on springs and washers.
but they appear to be larger than the one I have in my hand. they are springier than the one in my hand.

this one is
I.D. 3/5 "
O.D. 1 3/5"
thinkness 1/2"

It is no longer symetrical so the above measurements are at the widest point.
the edges are rounded makeing it look like a very thick O ring.

Did CJ's use rubber draft pads?

Bill Eldred · Post by **Bill Eldred** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:07 pm

Ok just found the one I have. It appears to be a type of plug that fits into the hole? And the shaft of the pedal goes through it the spring and washer just press up againt it. As shown in the pictures you can see the lip that would slip through the hole. This could make it hard to just cut out. What do you think?

Post by **Chris Fourroux** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:47 pm

Bill,
I think you have an original there. the description of the part is "grommet" for the early slat grills. not only did the part number change later on, but the description did too. later ones used a pad.

that is what we need! I'm sure of it. so, now what? anyone got any ideas for a grommet that size? I guess that means we are going to have to be careful the holes in the floorboard haven't gotten larger over the years!

Ian Fawbert · Post by **Ian Fawbert** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:12 pm

Hi Chris and Bill,

I got 2 from Ron, I needed them for my GPW, as it is in the middle of the rubber users and so felt is not correct! should have got them for the MB also... hmmm!

This was last year, but i remember someone else had them too if he doesnt. Ill check it against what you have shown and try to post a picture of them too.

I do not know if there is a ford/willys difference, but its beter than nothing! Which ever vehicle it is correct for, its better than nothing.

The way mine are made is kind of like a cup, and seeing your pics and descriptions it all falls into place- the cup part would protrude out of the floor with the lip of it pushing up against the underside of the floor against the spring and washer. With out the spring and washer i cannot see how it could stay in one place with out sliding up and down the shaft of the pedal as it is pressed and depressed- thus making the whole thing useless as it slides around!

Does this sound logical... ill aim for a pic of what i got this afternoon. I also have a picture of a repro one installed on a jeep being restored- will find that and try to email off to you both also.

Cheers,

Ian.

Bill Eldred · Post by **Bill Eldred** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:34 am

Ian the grommet I have looks to slip into the hole in the floor. Like the ones on the firewall. I will look around alittle to see what I can find.

Post by **Chris Fourroux** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:14 am

Here are two pictures from Ian

Post by **Chris Fourroux** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:26 am

Ian Fawbert wrote:
...The way mine are made is kind of like a cup, and seeing your pics and descriptions it all falls into place- the cup part would protrude out of the floor with the lip of it pushing up against the underside of the floor against the spring and washer. With out the spring and washer i cannot see how it could stay in one place with out sliding up and down the shaft of the pedal as it is pressed and depressed- thus making the whole thing useless as it slides around!...

Keep in mind the spring and washer move with the pedal so they are going up and down too.

Richard Grace · Post by **Richard Grace** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:22 pm

Guys, Paolo Batisti of Italy makes the reproduction of the early slat grille pedal grommet and Ron should have them in stock.......-RG

Bill Eldred · Post by **Bill Eldred** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:54 pm

Richard the ones that Ian has are from Ron. They are not like the grommet from my jeep. The one I have is more like it fills the hole and stays in the hole. While the one Ian has rides up and down with the spring and washer.

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