shovel and Axe

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shovel and Axe

Post by DIEGOTERRERO » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm

hi friends a query,
in a factory type restoration
What combination would be the right one for the pioneer tools?

A- Shovel head and axe (only the metal in black) and wood-colored wood?
B- Shovel head and axe (only the metal in black) and the OD colored wood?
C- Shovel head and axe (only metal in OD color) and wood-colored wood?
D- All painted OD?
E- Other - What?

I understand that the racks of the pioneer tools came in black metal and unstained wood

What would be the most successful?
What color or tone in the wood?


I hope you can comment
Thanks in advance
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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by Klaas » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:27 am

Hi Diego,

For a factory restoration you don't need the tools as they were not supplied by the factory!
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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by W. Winget » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:32 am

Ok, factory no tools, simplest of answers.
so I'll ask his question in a different manner

"Alexa" How were tools finished when issued for the jeep?

Were tools painted completely OD, Black with OD wood, Black metal with wood oil finished or Black with medium/dark stained finished wood.

My bet (that's an opinion without resorting to TECH manuals here)
The manufacturer delivered the tools black metal (oiled finish) with oil finish on the wood and the GI or Motorpool painted anything that was shiny and hung on the outside of the vehicle, but only when ordered to do so, i.e. time on their hands like painting rocks in a cantonment area, or prepping for an inspection layout. Subject to paint availability and shade of the unit supply which procured the paint.

Those stipulated as US Govt. Contract tools had a finish written down in the contract and were likely treated/painted per spec, which varied per contract.

I'm certain there are layout photos if a search was done, and it basically depends on what you want to portray with your jeep.
Field duty = painted (best protection)
Garrison duty = Natural finish (least protection, i.e. need to keep applying oil and wiping off the elements)
Parade duty = stained and glossy clean finish (decent longevity if not left in weather)

Now someone post a photo from LIFE or such of troops mounting their newly issued tools to their vehicles.
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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by DIEGOTERRERO » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:57 pm

Klaas wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:27 am
Hi Diego,

For a factory restoration you don't need the tools as they were not supplied by the factory!
good point !!!

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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by DIEGOTERRERO » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:07 pm

I will try to determine the best combination for the project.
I'm in doubt if I choose

1- Black Metal with Oil Finished Light Wood
2- OD Metal with Oil Finished Light Wood.

Option 1 convinces me more for now.

The Jeep is 02-02-42 serial 115466 no glove box.
I try to show the Jeep as it was when leaving the Fabrica. But I want to put the tools to the side since I have them.

As a fact the Jeep will painted OD 33070, with Summer Top of 6 straps not white letters in it, without Jerry tank, without white stars, only the number of hood and rear panel in Blue Drab

Thanks both for your comments


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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by pbr332 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:18 am

The one thing I've noticed on the subject of pioneer tools is the wide variety of finishes that came from the factory. Some had black painted steel parts and oil finished wood, some had OD paint overall, and some had OD painted steel and oil finished wood. Fortunately a number of NOS replacement pioneer tools have surfaced in the last 25 years, mostly in Europe, and that's how they are finished.
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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by DIEGOTERRERO » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:22 am

thanks Frank, for your comment.

Then it would be correct (in my case) to choose any combination without possible questioning by judges in a contest of classic military cars?

Anyway I doubt that the judges have the information to spin so fine.

I'm still leaning for Metal in black and wood with oil finish.
I´m going that way

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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by GSS » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:54 pm

Black and wood should look good, but no one will ever question total olive drab tools on an MB. Thanks.
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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by DIEGOTERRERO » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:58 am

I understood, thanks

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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by Chuck Lutz » Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:24 pm

I went with OD painted METAL and Boiled Linseed Oil on the wood:
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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by dpcd67 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:20 am

I always go with black or OD metal, usually black so they will stand out against the green vehicle, and natural wood handles. I use polyurethane as linseed oil is not waterproof; if left in the rain, they will turn gray. Yes, I know, we used it in Army on rifle stocks for 200 years, but it is not a very good wood protectant.
Tools were painted in the unit level, and ordered and stored at Organizational level. Pioneer tools were not "issued for jeeps"; they were ordered and kept in the supply rooms for anyplace that needed an axe or shovel, (or mattock). So for a correct factory jeep, it should not have any pioneer tools at all. But I always install them; look better. Here is my GPW.
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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by DIEGOTERRERO » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:52 am

thanks Chuck !

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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by DIEGOTERRERO » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:52 am

thanks dpcd67 !!!

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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:32 am

It's OK to paint your 4# GI axe handle O.D.
The 41-A-1377 4# Axe did have an O.D. Color Spec according to the SNL. Am surprised at the short memory of long time G503 forum members, .
It's still in the SNL.
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Re: shovel and Axe

Post by DIEGOTERRERO » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:06 am

thanks Ben

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