schwarze vs schwarze

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Re: schwarze vs schwarze

Post by DavidA » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:48 pm

Thu Jul 10, 2014 - Arsene Wenger said:
I seriously doubt they were ever used on Slat Grills - Never seen photos of them on a Slat and never seen any documentation. If you could assist / have any information on the use of Schwarze on Slat Grills - that would be awesome
Thanks Arsene. I didn't mean to imply that they were ever used on slats however my comment did kind of indicate that now that I re-read what it was I wrote.

Actually I was more curious as to the actual years and models that these Schwarze horns were used. I have need for a correct horn on the project that I am working on and am fortunate enough to have both a Schwarze or a Sparton to use but the real question is, "which one ?" :?
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Re: schwarze vs schwarze

Post by Arsene_Wenger » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:37 pm

Hi David. In my opinion , if it is a 43 MB Jeep - Schwarze can be used.
If it is a 44 MB/GPW Schwarze can be used.
Sparton can be used on any project Jeep (standardized)
The Schwarze breakdown is based on TM10 - 1186 1943 and the SNL G503 1944 photos.
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Re: schwarze vs schwarze

Post by Arsene_Wenger » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:18 am

Hello David - AAW does seem to give some suggestion that the Schwarze may have been used on the Slat
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Re: schwarze vs schwarze

Post by DavidA » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:07 pm

Thank you Arsene. I am still on the fence with this.

I definitely need further confirmation before I use it however I will look into it further and when and if I find that it was on Slattys for certain, this thread will be the first to hear it.
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Re: schwarze vs schwarze

Post by Arsene_Wenger » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:53 am

DavidA wrote:Thank you Arsene. I am still on the fence with this.

I definitely need further confirmation before I use it however I will look into it further and when and if I find that it was on Slattys for certain, this thread will be the first to hear it.
I am sorry i must amend my statement. I was wrong. Page 128 - Interchangeability List ORD 14 - 2

From Year 41- 45 For Willys MB it is Sparks Withington and for Ford it is Schwarze Electric

I was actually checking up for the Ford Script Jeeps and i just misread it. I am back on the Sparton only for the Slat side of fence :D
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Re: schwarze vs schwarze

Post by DavidA » Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:11 pm

Arsene: Oh well, good intentions and like I often do here on my replies…" whoops" . Thanks for the update.

Now is it GoodYear or Firestones on early Slats? Oh well, thats for another thread search and more book worming.
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Re: schwarze vs schwarze

Post by Brian Wolf » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:42 am

Beers wrote:And any idea on what this horn is? Came on my '43 MB, looks a bit like Schwarze on the back piece but the bell looks different (bell just over 7 1/4"). Had a correct MB mounting and vibration bracket. Maybe horn salad?

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I agree. Horn salad. I believe trumpet is an autolite, and the driver is from a later sparton SA horn.
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Re: schwarze vs schwarze

Post by Beers » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:11 pm

Brian Wolf wrote: I agree. Horn salad. I believe trumpet is an autolite, and the driver is from a later sparton SA horn.
Thanks Brian. Makes a nice proper sound though.

With it being on my MB when I got it, and knowing enough of the history of this Jeep to say it probably has been on there for decades, I may put this salad back on her. Unless a correct horn lands with me :)
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Re: schwarze vs schwarze

Post by Beers » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:02 pm

I've thought my horn looked the part, but was a mixture of Schwarze/Sparton/Autolite/whatever, and saw this auction, which looks to be the same horn.

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Re: schwarze vs schwarze

Post by Arsene_Wenger » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:42 am

There is another seller who is based in Canada and managed to sell something similar for a whopping $200. This was about 8 months ago.
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Re: schwarze vs schwarze

Post by northcoastsailor » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:53 am

Brian Wolf wrote:
Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:42 am
Beers wrote:And any idea on what this horn is? Came on my '43 MB, looks a bit like Schwarze on the back piece but the bell looks different (bell just over 7 1/4"). Had a correct MB mounting and vibration...
I agree. Horn salad. I believe trumpet is an autolite, and the driver is from a later sparton SA horn.
Hate to wake the dead here, but I'm unsure this is a horn salad. I just bought one on ebay on the cheap because I needed a horn and am a cheap skate. All pieces seem to be the same as those referenced in the previous post. Just seeing if anyone might have some fresh eyes on this horn.

https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw ... 8800005007

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