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Post by Ernie Baals » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:35 pm

Interesting thought on the springs
in the parts book, the closed list one spring required, front right, part number 844661
open cab list 3 springs required 2 part number 711110
1 part number 844661, right front
Ambulance, no springs 2 long bolts for the front to go through the wood blocks and 6 shorter ones

Carryall no springs
Command car, no springs
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Post by zepher11 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:38 pm

Ernie Baals wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:35 pm
Interesting thought on the springs
in the parts book, the closed list one spring required, front right, part number 844661
open cab list 3 springs required 2 part number 711110
1 part number 844661, right front
Ambulance, no springs 2 long bolts for the front to go through the wood blocks and 6 shorter ones

Carryall no springs
Command car, no springs
Here's a snip from the parts manual for the closed cab spring detail:
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Post by 17thAirborne » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:34 pm

vj wrote:
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OZ, If you make it to tn. I got to see your work.Your realley good. I sent a yahoo picture of the cckw 353 bomb truck today. Let me know if it made it. vj
I look forward to meeting you. No luck on the pic, sorry😐. must be my server or something.
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Post by 17thAirborne » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:36 pm

gerrykan wrote:
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Oz,
Due to laziness, I got several pages behind on your great restoration.
Thanks for taking the time to document, and post all the pictures, and details.

I hate to be a spoilsport, but one trivial thing that I noticed, is that the driver side front cab bolt is the one that should not have a spring.
This will not matter unless you are going to do some serious off-roading.
Under severe twisting, you don't want the driver side floor to raise away from the frame, as the use of the clutch and brake pedals can be impeded.

I am glad to see you nearing the days when you are just driving and maintaining your Dodge.
All the great people you will meet (and often educate) will make all of your hard work even more satisfying.
I am grateful for all of your comments and support. I'll get those bolts swapped out.
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Post by 17thAirborne » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:41 pm

zepher11 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:38 pm
Ernie Baals wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:35 pm
Interesting thought on the springs
in the parts book, the closed list one spring required, front right, part number 844661
Here's a snip from the parts manual for the closed cab spring detail:
Ernie and Zeph,

Thank you very much for adding to this thread. Great stuff, that...(as they say in England)
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Post by BATMOBILE1 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:54 am

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Installed the crank shaft today. First I test fitted all of the rear main bearing seal parts and gaskets. There are the two rubber left and right halves, the two metal upper and lower plates with neoprene main seals and the two gasket halves that go between the block and the seals.

Then, as indicated by the manual. I installed the upper an lower main seal plate with the screws loose, installed the crank and then the cap which I torques down to 75 ft-lbs. The crank rotated fine. I then installed the remaining bearings and caps and torqued them down one at a time checking for free rotation between each cap.

I checked the end play IAW the manual and have 0.003" end play.


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Hi Oz,

Im just about to put the rear main seal in now,you've said there are 2 rubber left and right seals,but you only show putting one pair in ? i will check the manual as well..those rope seals threw me as well..i was going to put them in the slots in the rear main bearing ..you get so many options in the gasket set..very confusing.
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Post by 17thAirborne » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:28 am

BATMOBILE1 wrote:
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Hi Oz,

Im just about to put the rear main seal in now,you've said there are 2 rubber left and right seals,but you only show putting one pair in ? i will check the manual as well..those rope seals threw me as well..i was going to put them in the slots in the rear main bearing ..you get so many options in the gasket set..very confusing.
WHen I opened the seal package, I was thrown for a loop. Too many pieces and the rope seals as well. My engine machinist has been doing engines for 40 years and he knows flatheads. He came over and laid out what I needed for the rear seal.

Here are a series of images that show how the rear main bearing cap and the seals go together.
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When first installing the two rear seal halves with the gaskets, install them loosely so they will move in conformity to the crank when its installed. After you are finished getting the crank in the rear seal halves can be torqued. Just follow the TM instructions. Here is the seal half that goes on the block side:
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Here is what it looks like once the crank goes in. The groove in the block and cap is for the oil slinger that lubes the rear portion. That is where I was thinking the rope seal went. :oops:
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Here is how the bearing cap seals are set up. You can see the correct "h" looking rubber seals. These will compress and fill in all the gaps once you torque the cap down. You can also see the rear cap seal half with the blue rubber gasket. This is installed with the screws on, but not snug so that the seals can "wrap" around the crank shaft once the cap is in place.
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Here is an image with the cap on and the two rear seal halves.
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And finally, the whole set up with the pan installed. Read the part in the TM about how the pan seals are overlapped where they come in contact with the cap pan seal. That looks like a good place for seepage. I put a bit of extra sealant there when I installed the pan.
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Post by BATMOBILE1 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:50 am

Excellent cheers for that Oz,very easy to follow,theres so many gaskets in that set..! looking at one of the original rear seals it still has the rope in it..

Heres a picture of the lower main seal with the rubber gaskets in,as well as the rear main outer seal.
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Post by 17thAirborne » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:18 am

That should hold it in nicely, the oil that is.
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Post by 17thAirborne » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:05 am

I'm shutting down this post for now. Our house sold, and I will be moving everything to the new location 1200 miles away and building a new workshop and home. Once I'm back in business, I'll get this baby finished and on the sale block to an interested party.

My original intent was to complete a first class restoration, learn everything I can, sell the Dodge on the merits of the evidence posted above, and then start a simultaneous restoration of M3A1 Scout Car, 1942 GPW, and a Converto Trailer in the new workshop.

I realize late in life that I am not a collector, but an investigator. Once the investigation is complete I move on. I spent 20 years amassing a huge collection of 139th Airborne Engineer Battalion artifacts and uniforms. I wrote several articles for Miltaria Magazine, and a book on the unit's history titled Blood on the Talon (Now out of print) https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Talon-I-Un ... 0988760703 I then started collecting Herman Goering Panzer Division uniforms and equipment. Put 5 complete diplays on mannequins together, then sold that. Now I focus strictly on ww2 US vehicles. It took me many years of collecting to realize that I am not a collector in the true sense of the word, as once the hunt is over I like to move on and never look back. I suspect the same will apply with the remaining projects that I complete. Find...Do...Move On! Sounds like the motto on the crest of a Distinctive Insignia on a uniform :lol:

I have spoken with a few folks who have entertained acquiring it before it is finished, which got me thinking about selling it early and I became excited about starting my new projects, and so an early sale continues to be an option. I consider the major value in the project to be what I have learned in the process, so I am not looking to reap great financial rewards at this point. The vehicle is for sale now for $1000 over my cost, delivered somewhere along the route of travel to my new home at a nominal fee. It will continue to be for sale once it arrives in the new home until such time as I begin restoration at which time I will finish it completely and raise the price in line with the cost of the remaining parts (wood bed, running boards, weather stripping, hardware, headliner and a few odds and ends)

I have thoroughly enjoyed this project and appreciate everything everyone has contributed. I consider myself a better man for the association made between us. I just can't wait to dive into the three-way restoration project. :shock:

I'll post again when I get back to finishing the Dodge.
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Post by 70th Division » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:17 am

Hello Oz,

Have a great and safe move to Tenn. !!!

That sounds like a sound plan indeed, learn the methods to restore and preserve for future generations and owners,
and move on to use your talents to continue the good works on other important projects.

If you didn't tackle them and preserve them, likely no one else would have.
You can take great satisfaction that you continue the crusade to save our history, one vehicle at a time.

Looking forward to your return to posting, and I thank you again for the Dodge parts , and that MB jeep from Roswell
that you saved that is now here in Florida !!

Best Wishes,

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Post by BATMOBILE1 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:33 am

Hi Oz,

Good luck with the move,hope you get what you want for your truck,its been a pleasure watching your posts,and a big help for me as well.

Will look forward to watching your next restoration/s.

Cheers,

All the best.

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Post by 17thAirborne » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:22 am

Gentlemen, thanks for the kind wishes. Can't wait to get the workshop built and set up for operations.
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Post by wc56daveyboy » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:24 am

And a safe move as well!

Man. After reading your post I realize I have something as well in common with you:

After I acquire and rebuild something I move on to another project. I guess it's the "project" I like rather then the finished product.

After about 7 jeeps, a command car, a wc51, a 42 Chevy g506 and a Clark ca-1 dozer, I'm not sure how many "projects" I got left in me.

That said after finishing this wc12 I'm keeping it.

Hummmm. I wonder how the wife would feel about "twins" in the garage (your wc12 and mine)

I would love to own your truck and take over from where you are at today.

Hummm.

Don't you need to travel rt 40 east right past me in Oklahoma?!!!!!

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Post by 17thAirborne » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:40 am

I'm sure we can work something out. pm sent
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