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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by Fred Coldwell » Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:14 pm

Thanks for the explanation and larger photo, Zeph. It now makes sense. :)
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Post by chibobber » Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:17 pm

Yes and a little protection from flying Ziz wheels! :lol:

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Post by mdainsd » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:10 pm

A "little bit"? 8)
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Post by Dozerman51 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:40 am

Hi Zeph,
Nice score on the 3/4 ton Carryall. Being a 1942, I would guess it has the smaller 8.75” third member with either the 2 or 4 pinion differential depending on the month it was built. That 25” 251 Spitfire motor is a keeper. What is the serial number of the motor? You never know, it might even be the mightier 265. The block appears to be set up for a full-flow oil filter. Very desirable. Did the PO hack up the Frame or Radiator support to install it?

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Post by zepher11 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:52 am

Dozerman51 wrote:
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Hi Zeph,
Nice score on the 3/4 ton Carryall. Being a 1942, I would guess it has the smaller 8.75” third member with either the 2 or 4 pinion differential depending on the month it was built. That 25” 251 Spitfire motor is a keeper. What is the serial number of the motor? You never know, it might even be the mightier 265. The block appears to be set up for a full-flow oil filter. Very desirable. Did the PO hack up the Frame or Radiator support to install it?
Hi Joe,

I had heard that the Spitfire engines were/are desirable. I'll have to check on the serial number. Be good to know. I looked to see how they wedged that big old engine in there, and it appears they primarily moved the radiator forward to accommodate the engine. The engine mounts on the frame looked fine.

The crank journals are rather rusty having been exposed for who knows how long underneath without the pan installed. Are the cranks for these engines the same as a 230? I have a lot of those lying around.

Good to hear from you. Hope you guys had a great Thanksgiving.
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Post by mdainsd » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:05 am

The cranks are longer.
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Post by Dozerman51 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:49 am

Hope you had a good Turkey Day also. As mdainsd said, the cranks are longer, the bearings are larger etc. I also believe the connecting rods are centered and not offset like on the 23” motors. All Canadian built mopar cars and trucks used the 25” block in different cubic inch displacements. The Canadian built T-212 1/2 ton and the T-222 3/4 ton used the 25” block. The 1/2 ton Carryall is looking real nice. Hope I can up and see it when it is done and I’m up your way. Keep up the great work.

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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by wc56daveyboy » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:08 pm

I have a chance to buy a 41 Chrysler Windsor
With a “spitfire” head . After seeing pics and block casting numbers it’s definitely original to the car.

What I assume from research it’s not a 251 even though it has a 25” Head. It’s like a 241? Or 244 ci.

Worth getting? Running. No smoke. How’s the HP rating for a 25” block?

My only interest is to find a higher HP block for when I hit the higher elevations of Colorado.

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Post by zepher11 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:13 pm

mdainsd wrote:
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The cranks are longer.
I was thinking that after I posted. 23" long motor vs. the longer 25" motor. Duh, the crank would be longer at a minimum. This cranks probably toast in this spit fire.
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Post by zepher11 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:20 pm

Dozerman51 wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:49 am
Hope you had a good Turkey Day also. As mdainsd said, the cranks are longer, the bearings are larger etc. I also believe the connecting rods are centered and not offset like on the 23” motors. All Canadian built mopar cars and trucks used the 25” block in different cubic inch displacements. The Canadian built T-212 1/2 ton and the T-222 3/4 ton used the 25” block. The 1/2 ton Carryall is looking real nice. Hope I can up and see it when it is done and I’m up your way. Keep up the great work.
Yes, if you and Syl get up here let me know and come on by. Hope to get cracking on the Carryall, but keep getting side tracked. Had all the body work done then messed up the wheel wells and had to cut out and add some metal. Hopefully, I can mop that up this weekend, but have a number of Christmas gigs to go to as well as the Pearl Harbor remembrance tomorrow as well this weekend.
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Post by zepher11 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:27 pm

wc56daveyboy wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:08 pm
I have a chance to buy a 41 Chrysler Windsor
With a “spitfire” head . After seeing pics and block casting numbers it’s definitely original to the car.

What I assume from research it’s not a 251 even though it has a 25” Head. It’s like a 241? Or 244 ci.

Worth getting? Running. No smoke. How’s the HP rating for a 25” block?

My only interest is to find a higher HP block for when I hit the higher elevations of Colorado.
Not sure what the HP rating would be. Is the engine serial listed here? https://www.t137.com/registry/help/othe ... gines.html

The flathead 6 FB page could probably answer your questions on that engine including the HP rating.
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by mdainsd » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:09 pm

There is always the 30 something" head 418 cubic inch 12 port Dodge flathead 6. Nearly 200 HP and 500 ft/lbs torque....
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by superdave » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:12 am

The Canadian Dodge M37 251 engine is rated at 103 Gross HP @3400 RPM

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Post by zepher11 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:10 pm

Was able to get a little shop time yesterday and today after fulfilling all my Christmas duties during the month. Nice to get back in there and dink around a little. Tried to finish up the body repair around the wheel well area where I messed it up hammering on the fenders when they were mounted. A real pain having to go back and do it over Just about completed. If I can align a day off and a sunny day, I hope to get this thing into OD.

I also started installing the reworked main wiring harness on the frame. Not sure of the exact routing at the rear yet. Hopefully, I shot some photos when I was disassembling everything:

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Post by Dozerman51 » Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:02 pm

Hi Zeph,
Looks like it’s coming along very nicely. Which vendor did you use for the wiring harness? I used Vintage Wiring Of Maine. Pricey, but top quality work and the installation instructions were very easy to follow. Hope you have a nice New Years. :D

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