Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by zepher11 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:11 am

Boyso wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:10 am
Fantastic work as always, keep it up !
Thank you!
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Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:42 pm
Great work Zeph. So you are installing a later 3/4/1.5 ton WC Bellhousing and Trans. on your truck? You learn something new every day. I always thought the 1/2 ton BH and Trans. we’re interchangeable with the 3/4 f 1.5 ton trucks. :o . Looks like the Power Wagon and Early M-37’s use the same mounting ear set up also. I have a 1951 Pilothouse 1.5 ton early synchro. 4 speed that has the same mounting ear pattern as my WC 1/2 ton. Will be installing this tranny in my truck as 3rd and 4th are helical cut and thus much quieter than the straight cut gears in the crash box unit. 3rd and 4th are also synchro’d so a little less double clutching will be much easier on my left knee. :lol: I also am going to go back to my 750-16 wheels and tires. Lot’s less strain on the 8 & 3/4” third members. I had an NOS 4.30 ring and pinion set installed in the rear third member as I found out I was running around with 4 chipped teeth in the it. I still have the 4.10 third members ready to go in, but I will see how the 4.30’s work out with the smaller tires and wheels. There is a only a 124 RPM drop between the 4.10 and 4.30 ratio’s @ 60 MPH. -2667(4.30) vs 2543(4.10) which is the fastest I would ever want to go. At 2667 RPM’s that’s about 74% of the IND-7’s max RPM’s of 3600. I should be ok in that regard. Anyway again keep up the great work. I’ll be up your way a week from this Thurs. Maybe I can come by and see 1st hand the progress you are making.
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Joe
Hi Joe,

Yes, the early bell housing and transmissions were a carry over from civilian production I believe. The tabs on the transmission are further apart on the driver's side vs. the passenger side. Later transmissions have equal distant tabs...shorter apart than on the civilian driver's side and equal to the passenger side. If you look at the bell housings, they have a location (boss?) for the hole to be drilled and tapped for the early transmissions. I almost mounted the wrong bell housing/transmission combo on my WC16 project before I noticed the difference.

Here's a shot from the VPW catalog of an early Dodge WC transmission. This confused me even more initially as the view shows the case with the tabs further apart on the drivers side, but has a PTO plate on both sides. The only transmissions I have seen that have the wide tabs on the driver's side do not have a PTO plate on the driver's side. Only the civilian style with the single plate on the passenger side had the wide tabs on the driver's side. Of course, I'm sure they exist as the drawing is from a manual. I just have not seen it.
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Here's the transmission install on my WC16. One can see the extra non-drilled boss for the other transmissions with the closer tabs on the bell housing. No plate on the driver's side for the PTO block off on the transmission can be seen as well here. The casting was C35661:

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If I had to guess, I bet the lower tab as shown above would be in the way of the PTO shaft. Maybe they were standardized to the closer tabs when they went with the PTO mounting on both sides. However, this doesn't compute with the VPW schematic above, so not positive.

Why do I care...I have no idea! :)
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by VancleVector » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:59 pm

The light of intake and exhaust system always turn on, and i am wandering if i need to take them off and check.

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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by zepher11 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:38 am

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The light of intake and exhaust system always turn on, and i am wandering if i need to take them off and check.
Come again...are you experiencing exhaust manifold leaks?
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by zepher11 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:30 pm

Finished up the transmission and the parking brake install:

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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by Old Pal » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:07 pm

Looks like you’re getting good use out of that new blast cabinet.
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by zepher11 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:36 am

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Looks like you’re getting good use out of that new blast cabinet.
Oh yeah, it is so nice to have it on standby when one needs it. Very happy with it so far!
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by zepher11 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:39 pm

Been slow going on the Carryall. I did work on the frame a bit to replace the rear cross member and add the pintle hitch plate from a donor frame:

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Had to slice and dice a little to fit the center section and match the original rive holes in the frame and plate:

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My lousy welds always clean up nice with the grinder:

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Nice to have this all wrapped up:

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As I was disassembling the rear leafs, I discovered that the leaf springs were reassembled incorrectly way back in the day. One of the shackles was installed on the wrong side of one of the leaf springs. This would have cocked the rear axle about an inch and a half off center from wheel to wheel. Would have tracked poorly:

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One can see the offset of the center leaf spring bolts in this side-by-side comparison:

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Also, the one shackle was wollard out, so had to find a replacement. Plus, someone got their moneys worth out of the bushings:

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Today, I blasted the rear leafs and some of the ancillary parts:

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Installed the bushings in the shackles. Had to trim the bushings after installing:

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I then disassembled the front leafs before I ran out of gas for the day:

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More sandblasting and painting in the near future...
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by zepher11 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:23 pm

Blasted the front leaf springs today. Then primed and painted all the the rear and front leafs. My aching back is resting after all that sandblasting and painting!

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There really has to be a better way to hold the leafs for painting, however, I haven't figure it out yet. One of these days I will.

Now thread chasing the spring clips and getting the spring clip plates ready for blasting and paint:

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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by zepher11 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:17 am

Still working on the leaf springs. Takes a lot of work just to disassemble, blast, prime, paint and then reassemble. All done now:

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Also, one leaf still had DPCD stamped inot it:

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Time to re-home the leafs:

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Also, have the frame blasted now. Want to prime and paint, but the wind in the paint booth is too much to allow painting:

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Also, I dinked around with the transmission shifter tower. I wanted to cap the shifter rail bores as last time I rebuild a transmission, I didn't. I think it is leaking, but not sure. I picked up what the TM shows as the original spec plugs here on the right. I found some conventional expansion plugs that might work, but were too small:

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I used a rounded concrete forming stake that I had from my failed attempt to form a bead in my Command Car project floor replacement to widen the conventional expansion plugs and installed:

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I then shifted gears and blew two of them across the garage. Thought I had checked that earlier. Now I know why the TM only shows one plug! Live and learn. Of course, the TM doesn't show any installed on the rear of the shifter tower, but there are three installed on the ones I have:

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If I can get the frame painted, and the axles installed, it would be nice. Then I can get the transfer case installed and front and rear drive lines.
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by Dozerman51 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:23 am

Hi Zeph,
Those expansion plugs are a real PITA to install and seat properly. Was it difficult for you to install the spring bushings ? I put mine in the freezer for 2 days and they slide right in the spring eyes very easily. Keep up the good work.
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by zepher11 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:12 pm

Dozerman51 wrote:
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Hi Zeph,
Those expansion plugs are a real PITA to install and seat properly. Was it difficult for you to install the spring bushings ? I put mine in the freezer for 2 days and they slide right in the spring eyes very easily. Keep up the good work.
Joe
Hey, Joe. No problems with the spring bushing installs. I used my shop press. I have noticed that the bronze bushings installed in the rear spring shackles need to be reamed. I can't get the rear shackle bolt inserted through them. All of the other bushings are fine and everything fits well. Need to get that darned frame primed and painted. If only the wind would die down in the paint booth!
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by mdainsd » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:55 am

Interesting about the shifter rail plugs. This weekend I pulled the cover off of the CC transmission because I saw it only had one plug. I don't like those open bores. I also went to the "mine" and pulled the top off another transmission, same thing? Did you get all six to stay in while shifting?

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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by zepher11 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:57 am

mdainsd wrote:
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Interesting about the shifter rail plugs. This weekend I pulled the cover off of the CC transmission because I saw it only had one plug. I don't like those open bores. I also went to the "mine" and pulled the top off another transmission, same thing? Did you get all six to stay in while shifting?
Of the six bores...three in the front and three in the rear of the shifter plate...I can only get the three in the rear to stay and the center one in the front whilst shifting. The shifter rails punch out the plugs from the two outside bores in the front, and it is obvious that no plug would stay in there. The TM only shows one plug in the rear (21-29-2). Probably overthinking it as usual:
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by zepher11 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:42 am

The weather was nice yesterday with minimal wind, so I was able to get the frame painted. Almost forgot about the issues with the battery box. Bent it back into shape and welded in some 14 gauge metal. No bead roller, so hopefully it will be strong enough. i think with the weight of the batter spread out it should be okay. May weld some 1/2" angle iron on the bottom if necessary:

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Gingerly cut around the original pedal spring tab and saved that:

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Not having it on a rotisserie made it a little problematic to paint the whole thing at one time:

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Nice to get this part of the project completed...
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Re: Zeph's Dodge WC26 Carryall Restoration

Post by zepher11 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:49 pm

Managed to get the front axle installed today. Sure feels good to actually start putting things together:

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