Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by Wingnutt » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:53 am

Picked up this Blackhawk Freewheeler with a 1942 date code at the flea market this morning...

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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by mrbill » Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:00 pm

That is one sharp looking ratchet, Wing!

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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by Wingnutt » Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:28 pm

Thanks, Bill. It is in exquisite condition. Funny thing is, because these have no teeth, many unsuspecting vendors think they're broken.

The chrome-plating is worthy of discussion. General Preference Order E-6 allowed mfgrs to use their on-hand supply of steel, despite the alloy restrictions, until November 1942, but that doesn't hve anything to do with chrome-plating and doesn't explain chrome-plating on a 1942 tool. The only thing I can think of is it was actually made in 1941 and stamped in 1942. But even that's a little wonky.
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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by mrbill » Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:54 pm

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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:28 pm
Thanks, Bill. It is in exquisite condition. Funny thing is, because these have no teeth, many unsuspecting vendors think they're broken.

The chrome-plating is worthy of discussion. General Preference Order E-6 allowed mfgrs to use their on-hand supply of steel, despite the alloy restrictions, until November 1942, but that doesn't hve anything to do with chrome-plating and doesn't explain chrome-plating on a 1942 tool. The only thing I can think of is it was actually made in 1941 and stamped in 1942. But even that's a little wonky.
That's how I picked up the 9810 (1933-1935) and 49996 (1945) that I have - both sellers thought that they were broken. Neither one looks as nice as your 49997 and they're both pretty sloppy to boot. Love the Blackhawk designs from that period, though.

As far as it being chromed, this is how I rationalize it in my mind... Bill Knudsen or somebody from the Army, Navy, Ford or WPB calls and says they need something NOW. Underlings go foraging madly though the deepest recesses of the warehouse to find something to fit the bill or fill out the order - whatever is required to keep things moving forward. Who knows, maybe that was the ratchet they used to work on FDR's car - no plain steel would do for that job! :D

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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by Wingnutt » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:10 pm

mrbill wrote:
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maybe that was the ratchet they used to work on FDR's car - no plain steel would do for that job!
That's the story I am going with. :lol:
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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by Wingnutt » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:41 pm

Not much WWII in this group. One of the tappet wrenches and the big DBE (Plomb 1041), maybe the K-D special 3/8-inch dr attachments.

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Post by d42jeep » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:12 am

I found this yesterday for your growing K-D collection. It isn’t just an awl. The shank extends through the handle to facilitate using a hammer, should you desire. Let me know if you already have one. It’s the first one of these I’ve seen.
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Post by Wingnutt » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:48 am

I'm really trying to go for older K-D, Don, but sure, put it in a 'hold' bin for me for a later trade.

In the 'TOO EXPENSIVE FOR ME' category was this flat fender Jeepster pedal car!

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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by Wingnutt » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:29 am

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Picked up this Mechanics' Apprentice Kit Tool Pouch in a trade today. (The machinists' screwdriver is just for scale.)

Not sure of the date, but it has to be earlier than 1947 (US Army Air Forces), and the "45" in the Order No. almost certainly indicates 1945. The Task Order number is hard to read through the grime there in the photo, but for those who are curious, it's T.O. 00-30-54.

The only issue other than the grime, which should come out with some gentle detergent, is that center bulging pocket. The reason it is bulging is because there are three composite screwdriver handles in there, amber, that are so badly melted/deteriorated, they are fused into the duck. I have tried pulling on them with just enough force to dislodge them without ripping the duck and I have only succeeded in breaking pieces off. I'm just going to leave them in there.

I haven't looked up any of the numbers yet. If anyone has any info, please post. I may half-heartedly try to fill it. Unless the tools re boring, then I just might put what I want in it! :)

With tools in it, it will look like a roll, not flat, and that snap will come in handy.

Saddle Tramp would've loved this piece.
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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by phantomfixer » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:15 pm

really like that B2 roll...very good find, only thing that I can/might add is the T.O. is a Technical Order vs a task order

here is a link to one on Worthpoint, via ebay, with slight variations in the stamped info, due to different manufacturers.
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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by Silly's MB » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:45 pm

Great find with the pouch, you may want to try gently warming with a hair dryer to remove the handles.
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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by Gordon_M » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:58 pm

Break off a small piece of the handles and drop it in some Acetone to see if it melts. Not sure if Acetone would be safe on the canvas, but worth a try.
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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by Wingnutt » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:07 pm

Thanks for the suggestions, guys. I'm really leaning toward leaving them in there. I've seen this movie before (not necessarily with old pyroxalin stinkhandles stuck in a pouch, but similar situations... ) and it doesn't end well. I always end up ruining the original piece. :lol:

Good catch, phantomfixer. We actually have documents for other Technical Order kits (e.g., Crew Chief), but they all come in boxes. See link to one of my earlier posts on the subject, when Saddle Tramp was looking for stuff for the museum, here. EDIT: Correction. That just goes to the Crew Chief T.O. Somewhere on here someone posted several T.O.'s. I can't seem to find it right now.
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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by Wingnutt » Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:29 pm

Picked up a nifty little Duplex-made Snap-on K-9 "Junior Handikit" carry box today at the flea market. Built and works just like the typical larger size, only smaller. You can see it doesn't have that second layer of drawers and it's only 14 inches long! I was disappointed in my bad luck at finally finding one of these in the wild and it turning out to be the "Honey, I shrunk the kids!" version, but it's actually growing on me. Because the PO put some ugly and stubborn reflective tape and electrical tape all over it, which is taking paint off to remove, I just might strip it completely and go OD green on it. It has the wartime logo and the patent but that was put on the Snap-on boxes since 1933. They were "battleship grey duco enamel" pre-war. The original red paint indicates postwar, but no later than 1948. So this is exactly what the WWII boxes looked like, but not red.

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Somebody took a grinder to the entire shank of the BONNEY 1033-C for some reason, so I don't know the date, but it's plain steel and wartime pattern.

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Only other noteworthy find is the RYAN (John J. Ryan Tool Works, Southington, Conn.) "perfect handle" screwdriver with the hex shank. I remember reading somewhere that Ryan took over the original H.D. Smith patent and operations, but I'll have to track that down again. Roger has a few Ryan pieces as I recall.

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Re: Wingnutt's Flea Market Frenzy - Version 2019

Post by Hartofoak » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:15 am

Your Ryan screwdriver looks very similar in pattern to my Dunlap example Greg. I wonder if they were manufactured by a single company and badged with different names?
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=245659&p=1772017&h ... p#p1772017

I did come across some patent based evidence that Tobrin took over H D Smith on its demise:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=198596&p=1337547&h ... n#p1337547

But according to this blog, you are correct Greg, Ryan took over H D Smith:
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