1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

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Plumb Half Hatchet

Post by Hartofoak » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:07 am

I thought I'd place this post here alongside the other pieces from this amazing 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set.

I was hoping that this recently acquired Plumb half-hatchet was the correct specification for 41-H-1641, but its cutting edge width is only 2¼ins and not 3½ins as outlined in the 1944 Class 41 U.S. Navy Supply Catalogue. Information collected from vintage adverts shown in bladeforums.com suggest that because this example has evidence of a "Take-Up wedge" it was made sometime between 1922 and 1943. Also the "U.S.A" under the Plumb logo suggests it was manufactured before 1944. I was hoping that this confirmed its military use similar to the "U.S." on the hammer example in the above postings. Nevertheless, I was pleased to find it as it's the first example I've seen and which I believe is scarce over here in the U.K.

Edited Note: I now notice that the 41-H-1632, 4in, Claw Hatchet highlighted in the above set has "U.S.A." under the Plumb logo. I wonder if it has the "Take-Up wedge" as well? All I need now is an FSN which covers my example!
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Re: 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

Post by d42jeep » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:02 pm

Cliff,
These have been hanging out in my hammer handle box. I wasn’t aware that they were probably out of Plumb tools.
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Re: 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

Post by Hartofoak » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:37 am

Incredible what turns up Don! When cleaning up my half-hatchet, I tried to rip mine out thinking it was a screw that had been used as a temporary fix. I'm so glad I left it in when I re-fitted the handle! You'll have the Plumb police hounding you for them soon. I now find there's plenty on the web about this device and a 1922 Plumb US patent No 1426316 as well.
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Re: 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

Post by Len Jones » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:46 pm

I purchased these Plumb machinists hammers several years ago to use as my own guide especially as they have the weights stamped on them. I realise that they might not be period correct but might prove useful to me in identifying the correct sized hammers for a GMTS.

I noticed there was what appeared to be a screw in only the 16oz version, once cleaned, and thinking it was a ' repair ' they were put away. Now I can see it is actually the ' quick wedge ' as previously described.

So armed with a suitable screwdriver I removed the quick wedge from the 16oz hammer.
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Re: 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

Post by d42jeep » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:50 pm

Len,
It’s nice to see a Ball Pein hammer with the screw in place. I imagine that I accumulated mine from hammers with broken handles. I wonder how the tapered hole was drilled for the screw to go into?
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Re: 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

Post by henry501 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:19 am

Don,

Not sure whether you comment was made with tongue in cheek or not but I believe the hole was just a straight hole or no hole at all. I think drilling a tapered hole would kind of defeat the purpose of the wedge forcing expansion of the wood to make a tight grip on the head. :wink:

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Re: 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

Post by Len Jones » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:04 am

Henry / Don

The answer to the puzzle can be found within the patent document itself which describes that glued wedges ( numbers 10 & 12 on the sketch ) are fitted first.

It goes on to describe how ' In order to prepare the shaft or handle for the reception of the tapered headless screw, a hole 18 is drilled from the end of the handle longitudinally thereof to a somewhat greater depth, say one quarter inch than the length of the screw '.

I think that's nailed it !
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Re: 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

Post by Hartofoak » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:07 am

Len you have some very nice hammers their. There was some evidence of the "mahoganised" handle on my half-hatchet - a Plumb feature I believe. Glad that you found the tapered wedge in one of the heads. BTW that boxed SPW you posted on the other thread is very nice too, coming from one of the best/nicest guys in the business.
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Re: 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

Post by d42jeep » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:11 am

henry501 wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:19 am
Don,

Not sure whether you comment was made with tongue in cheek or not but I believe the hole was just a straight hole or no hole at all. I think drilling a tapered hole would kind of defeat the purpose of the wedge forcing expansion of the wood to make a tight grip on the head. :wink:

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Henry
Henry,
Hammer handles are traditionally made of Hickory, which is quite a hard wood. I have re-handled several dozen hammers and the force required to hammer in the traditional metal wedges is considerable. If the hole in the handle wasn’t shaped to be slightly smaller but tapered to the same shape as the screw, I believe the result would be the same as what happened to my middle example, which has broken on one side of the screwdriver slot. The inventor goes on to say the following.

“In order to prepare the shaft or handle for the reception of the tapered headless screw, a hole 18 is drilled from the end o'l the handle longitudinally thereof to a somewhat greater depth, say one quarter inch, than the length of the screw. This hole may be reamed to receive the screw which may then be driven in until the butt end 14 is flush with the end face 9 of the handle.”

I believe the reaming of the hole referred to is to allow the screw to be flush with the top of the handle without it breaking during installation.
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Re: 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

Post by Wingnutt » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:30 am

Absolutely agree. And probably with a tapered reamer.
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Re: 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

Post by 17thAirborne » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:59 pm

Robin wrote:
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Any chance you could post the dimensions of the bag and height of the stencilling?

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Re: 1944 Carpenter's Tool Set #1

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