Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by Wingnutt » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:15 pm

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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by mudbox » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:05 pm

I've been on the hunt for that Bonney 585-4! :lol:
I came close this morning at the flea, with this 1723. Date is H.T. August 1942.
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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by daveus6 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:45 pm

I saw these on the auction site recently. Would anyone like to explain where this Bonney 723 fits with the 585-4. The style is similar but is dated one year later 1943 and marked 723 rather than 585-4.
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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by pjones » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:47 pm

Dave,
Here are my thoughts. The "U" code was used in several cycles and thus could represent 1929, 1943 or 1957. I suspect given the parabolic shape of the wrench head that this "u" represents a 1929 produced wrench and not 1943. But I haven't seen a BONNEY wrench exactly like it.....and I could be wrong.

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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by daveus6 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:35 pm

I thought the 1929 Bonney wrenches had the B shield logo on them?

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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by Tin Medic » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:41 pm

For what its worth, that style wrench was not in the 43 Bonney catalog.
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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by daveus6 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:28 pm

Tin Medic wrote:For what its worth, that style wrench was not in the 43 Bonney catalog.
True - but then neither were the 585 series wrenches.

The head shape does cast some doubt on that 723. I have a "29" that also looks very similar in the head shape and it has U date code and the typical 1940s Bonney logo stamped into it. There was a 1947 Bonney catalog posted on G503 that I can't find the link to. It showed a plain carbon steel range of wrenches on page 93 that had head shapes the same as the one I posted above and a 723 was included in that range. In fact all those wrenches are listed with just the plain ISN (not with the "1" in front as was normal for Bonney's CV range). Maybe the wrench I posted was part of a similar range done by Bonney during the war? It may explain the whole 585 series wrenches - they were just an adaptation of Bonney's plain carbon steel range for wartime use.

All somewhat speculative of course.

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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by Chuck Lutz » Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:09 am

Jason....my G:U (July 1943) BONNEY 1723 looks like the "H:T" one above.
One might have to wonder if BONNEY was producting a 1000 series during the war, if they were also purchased by the gov't or another vehicle or machinery item mfger who supplied a tool kit or...?
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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by Tin Medic » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:08 pm

The 585 series wasnt around prior to or after the war that we know of so we might want to consider that the 585 series was a government contract only.

Also, I just dont see any possible relation between the 585 series and the pair pictured above. The other wrenches are way to bulky and could be of limited use if the bolt was in a tight spot.
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Post by daveus6 » Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:29 pm

Tin Medic wrote:The other wrenches are way to bulky and could be of limited use if the bolt was in a tight spot.
Good point. The head shape is significantly different to the 585-4 shown earlier. It would make no sense that the head shape would change so much in one year for no real reason. Thanks Tin.

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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by Wingnutt » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:37 pm

No, I did not find a Bonney 585-4 (723) wrench.

I did finally acquire an original Bonney snap pouch, though, completing my Bonney -Zenel- No. 20 Miniature Wrench Set. I’ve had the wrenches (shown upthread) for several years now, all bearing an “ET” (May 1942) date code, just waiting for a proper home. The snap pouch, in exceptional condition, is black leatherette with “BONNEY -ZENEL- WRENCHES” printed on the flap.

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Here once again is the page showing the set in the 1943 Bonney catalog.

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And as a reminder, they are also cited in the electrical and ignition duty wrenches section of the March 1945 ORD 5 SNL J-4, along with their mfgr/model codes (BF-H-10 through BF-H-18), which match the model numbers stamped into their jaw faces.

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Finally, another shot of the of the wrenches with some “extended family,” the Tappets.

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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by Wingnutt » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:16 am

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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by maddawg308 » Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:26 pm

Been awhile since this thread was updated, but I found one of the 585-4 Bonney wrenches on eBarf for $11 shipped, so they are out there if you need one for your sets. You just have to keep looking all over! The fun is in the hunt...

KT date code, I assume that's November of 1942.

Ironically, of the six 585 wrenches that make up the correct Jeep wrench set, this is not the last hardest-to-find one in my sets; I have the four smallest sizes, I still have to find the 731 and the 33. In due time, with patience...
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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by Wingnutt » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:19 am

Nice snag. :mrgreen: I just got a notice this thread had been updated and as soon as I got it I thought, "oh wow, I bet someone found a 585-4!" :lol:

The fun is definitely in the hunt! I prefer looking for tools in the wild, and generally don't shop on eBay unless a friend tips me off to something I need or would like, but every time I see a story like this it almost makes me want to start running weekly searches again. Almost. But not quite. :D
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Ironically, of the six 585 wrenches that make up the correct Jeep wrench set,
Five (5) in the correct Jeep set. The sixth wrench (33-C) is added to those 5 in the GMTK set.
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I have the four smallest sizes, I still have to find the 731 and the 33. In due time, with patience...
Not to be picayune, but with ISN's, precise pickiness matters! It's a 731-A (585-27) and a 33-C (585-36) that you need.

If you're less patient, and you want your due time to come around a little sooner, I'm pretty sure I have extras of both. If you're interested, I'll pull all my bins out and check. They will not cost you an arm and a leg and third nut, but I can promise you they won't be $11 shipped, either! :)
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