Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

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Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by Wingnutt » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:27 am

As everyone by now knows, I think the unequivocally most ideal DOE wrench for any wartime on-board toolkit is the Bonney 585 series. Why? It subsumes the QMC drawing number, cited in QMC Engineering Specification No. 422c, "TOOL-SETS (COMPLETE-WITH-TOOLS) MOTOR VEHICLE," dated April 9, 1942, and in every wartime ORD TAC ES No. 422 that followed, in its model numbering scheme. It forges that model numbering scheme loud and proud in the middle of its freaking shank. And it’s date coded. I honestly don’t know how any wartime on-board vehicle toolkit wrench can have better provenance than that. (For newbies, please pay no attention to the fact that this wrench is not even shown on the “sticky.”). On top of that they’re rare – so if you like nonpareil provenance and being different, you get the best of both features in the Bonney 585 series.

As a reminder for those who are already familiar, or for those who aren’t, here is what they look like:

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One tiny problem with the Bonney 585 series – the tiniest, in fact, has been that nobody has ever seen let alone had the 3/8 x 7/16 wrench. Those collectors who do own the rest of the set usually substitute a Bonney alloy steel “723”. That little critter has been so rare, we didn’t actually know if they existed or not (shades of Arcturus), and of course, without being seen, nobody even knew what the correct model number suffix was!

Well, I am happy to report that these questions have now been…. ANSWERED!

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The date code on this example is K:T (November 1942).

And, when you have finished putting your eyes back in your head, note that my estimate was wrong.

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Bonney must have not made one of the smaller wrenches, which put the ISN 723 at 585-4 instead of 585-5 as I had figured.

If you’re still with me, you may have noticed that the other Bonney wrench, an ISN 723A (3/8 x 1/2), with an oxide finish, has its Federal Standard Stock Catalog number (41-W-991-50) stamped in its shank, with a “Z” prefix. My guess is that this is a contract wrench, and the “Z” (like the Navy’s “R” prefix) is the agency. But the most interesting aspect of this wrench is the forged-in BONALOY marking on the flip side. Bonney did not start making BONALOY DOE wrenches until after the war. So the date code on this wrench, EDIT: E:O, is most likely EDIT: May 1951. (<- Thanks to sharp-eyed Mr. X for clearing this up.)

* I don’t own these wrenches. A 1930’s tool collector, and not a G503.com guy, known mainly in P&C and Thorsen circles on other tool forums (Garage Gazette, Jalopy Journal, etc) saw my “585” posts here and elsewhere in an internet search and he kindly contacted me.
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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by mudbox » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:42 am

D@mnit! And to think, just this morning, I was content with the 723 that I had in my set. (still missing the 731-A though...) :lol:

It's nice to see/know that it exists... but still, will any of us ever find one!

Let me be the first to put this out there....

WTB Bonney 585-4 (ISN 723 equivalent) DOE!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wingnutt, your contact doesn't happen to have a spare 585-27, does he?

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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by Chuck Lutz » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:14 am

Where does the BONNEY "Made In USA" wrench with "1723" on the head face and "E-U" (May 1943) fit into the scheme?

Oh yeah, also a BONNEY "Made In USA" with "1028" on the head face and "G-U" (July 1943) fit?
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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by Wingnutt » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:21 am

mudbox wrote: Wingnutt, your contact doesn't happen to have a spare 585-27, does he?
I'll ask, but I doubt it. He's not a WWII guy - he wasn't sure what he had. He does now, though, and no, he wouldn't sell it, not even for a hefty sum reserved for BB or Fairmount equivs.
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Post by Wingnutt » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:31 am

Chuck Lutz wrote:Where does the BONNEY "Made In USA" wrench with "1723" on the head face and "E-U" (May 1943) fit into the scheme?
Bonney made three wrench lines during wartime: the old CV line, with alloy steel instead of CV steel, hence, no CV marking (the model 1723 above is an example); the Zenel line (with -ZENEL- on the shanks, believed to be a triple alloy they perfected, advertised and sold before the war, the advent of alloy restrictions, and "New Emergency" AISI standards), and the 585 line. All of them have wartime date codes.
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Post by Fred Coldwell » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:45 am

Wingnutt:

Bonney Good information, as I would have declared yesterday. With another DOE mystery solved, the search resumes to find that tiny size 4 Maltese Falcon! :D
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Post by Chuck Lutz » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:50 am

Here is a BONNEY with "BONALOY" on it and a date code that is hard to see but has a "W" for 1945 on it.


Maybe the postwar intro of the BONALOY was incorrect?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BONNEY-723-A-WR ... Swxp9W6CPW

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Here is a better pic of the one above...
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and another one on ebay with BONOLOY and a "W" for "1945" production:
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BONNEY 1723 W 1945.jpg (91.36 KiB) Viewed 1929 times
Maybe BONNEY was making them in 1945 after all? I wonder if others have examples with a "W" (1945) and BONOLOY on the shank?
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Post by Wingnutt » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:53 am

All of the date codes on BONALOY DOE wrenches that I have seen on AA or in person or elsewhere are late 1945 or after, and the catalogs agree with that. The #41 (1941) includes CV and Zenel. The #46R (1946) first introduced BONALOY and still carried the Zenel. For me, it would take more than one Z41-W-991-50 wrench, that I can't see the date code on myself, to refute this.
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Post by lucas » Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:28 pm

Greg et al>>> Quick question>>>Is ZENEL considered OK for factory or Motorpool?…I see them from time to time and pass on them, as I just don't know….size markings? Advance Thanks/Hugh


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Post by Wingnutt » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:19 pm

lucas wrote:Greg et al>>> Quick question>>>Is ZENEL considered OK for factory or Motorpool?…I see them from time to time and pass on them, as I just don't know….size markings?
Hi Hugh,
Not sure what you mean by "size markings?" Bonney -ZENEL- wrenches have the fractional sizes stamped into the flip side faces and the ISN is incorporated into the 3XXX series model numbering scheme (i.e., 3723, 3025, 3027C, 3028S, and 3731A) on the face of the jaw on the other end of the wrench, same side, as the jaw face with the BONNEY MADE IN USA stamping. As for validity, no Willys factory document citing the DOE wrench vendors has ever been found, and the closest data point we have to a vendor identification is a strange set of model numbers in a mid-war Material Survey that I have never been able to correlate to a Mfgr. So, technically speaking, no wartime vendors are incorrect. As for motorpool, Bonney is a verified Ordnance Dept supplier - one of their biggest. The ZENEL line was high end commercially, which might stigmatize them with some people. Personally, I don't think we'll ever have that level of detailed acquisition information, so verified supplier is verified supplier to me. And those date codes on a wrench with natural steel finish is really hard to argue with! I would say that they are uncommon, and for that reason alone probably not the ideal set for the first time guy. Someone would have to really like the idea of being different. If I'm not mistaken, Luca was working on a set at one time. I don't know if he ever had all five (5).
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Post by Mr.X » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:29 pm

That "EO" date code ( as well as the "KT" on the 585-4 )on the Bonaloy Z41 wrench couldn't be clearer in the picture posted. So if not a 37, what about 51? Bonaloy DOE's were around in 51, would / could that FSN have been stamped on a 51 wrench?

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Post by Wingnutt » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:56 pm

Mr.X wrote:That "EO" date code ( as well as the "KT" on the 585-4 )on the Bonaloy Z41 wrench couldn't be clearer in the picture posted. So if not a 37, what about 51? Bonaloy DOE's were around in 51, would / could that FSN have been stamped on a 51 wrench?
My 20/20 days are long gone! :oops:
And yes, absolutely, it could be 1951, (I wasn't thinking about the M-to-Z system wrapping around again!) which makes much more sense for the BONALOY marking. The Federal Stock Number system was in the throes of being updated at that time, but I can see it not catching up to all agencies and makers.
THANKS for the date code corrections and the prod, Mr. X! :D
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Re: Bonney 585 "723" Mystery.... SOLVED!!!!!

Post by Tin Medic » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:25 pm

Wingnutt wrote:All of the date codes on BONALOY DOE wrenches that I have seen on AA or in person or elsewhere are late 1945 or after, and the catalogs agree with that. The #41 (1941) includes CV and Zenel. The #46R (1946) first introduced BONALOY and still carried the Zenel. For me, it would take more than one Z41-W-991-50 wrench, that I can't see the date code on myself, to refute this.
The Bonaloy line was around as early as 1943.
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Post by Wingnutt » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:53 pm

Tin Medic wrote:The Bonaloy line was around as early as 1943.
1941. For DBE's and hammer box ends only. Not DOE's. We weren't talking about the whole line. And my statement is about DOEs. First time they show up in a catalog is 1946, and earliest date codes I know of are late 1945.
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Post by Tin Medic » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:05 pm

You are correct, I was looking at the line as a whole not realizing the DOE's weren't listed.


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