1943 Bonney Catalog

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1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by Tin Medic » Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:11 pm

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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by Wingnutt » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:31 am

Thanks, Steve. What is the number of the catalog on the front and the title page? Is it "143"? And would you mind posting an image of the introduction? It may be just after the index.
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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by Silly's MB » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:37 am

Wingnutt wrote:Thanks, Steve. What is the number of the catalog on the front and the title page? Is it "143"? And would you mind posting an image of the introduction? It may be just after the index.
Are you thinking their is a lot of CV around in 1943 ?
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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by Silly's MB » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:41 am

I am after the B24 Headlight bulb pliers (or similar) if anybody finds some. :D
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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by pjones » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:43 am

I sure am. I was very surprised to see that much CV in a '43 catalog. I would love to have a set of the files, punches and chisels.
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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by Wingnutt » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:51 am

Silly's MB wrote:Are you thinking their is a lot of CV around in 1943 ?
No. Just curious.

It's interesting to see that they were still using the same slogans ("The finest that money can buy") and layouts as the 1939 catalog, including all the figures and text that still had "Chrome-Vanadium" on it. But others did the same thing. Williams did not revamp its literature until 1947. Instead they stuck WPB notices inside warning customers that due to alloy restrictions certain tools had been discontinued etc.

In fact, my respect for AA just went way up. They have this catalog in their resource table. But now that we can see it as well (thanks again, Steve!), it's good to know that AA took a rigorous comprehensive approach in their analysis, considering everything in context, to include what they knew (still a little too generally for my liking) about alloy restrictions. Of course, the fact that Bonney used a date code system gave them confidence to stick by their guns. Despite the catalog deceptively indicating otherwise, no Bonney CV tools with a 1943 date code have been found as far as I know. And very few with a 1942 date code, and most of those had plain finishes, suggesting they used the last of stock steel, or the possibility that an old die was used.

I said this with the other catalogs (Cornwell, etc). Caution is needed. Company literature and company production during the wartime era are not necessarily the same thing.
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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by mudbox » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:11 am

Thanks for posting this!
Strange that the 'A' series sockets end at the 1" size...
Also odd, the 'D' series sockets are all marked with the * which denotes they will supply until stock is exhausted, but that disclaimer ends at the 1" size. So, they continued to offer the 1-1/16" and up sizes for the 'D' series only. :?:

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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by Silly's MB » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:49 am

mudbox wrote:Thanks for posting this!
Strange that the 'A' series sockets end at the 1" size...
Also odd, the 'D' series sockets are all marked with the * which denotes they will supply until stock is exhausted, but that disclaimer ends at the 1" size. So, they continued to offer the 1-1/16" and up sizes for the 'D' series only. :?:


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My guess would be that it is to do with material saving. Tapered use more material although the bigger sizes need the additional material for strength.
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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by Wingnutt » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:30 am

pjones wrote: I would love to have a set of the files, punches and chisels.
They are appealing. Unfortunately, none of them meet the GMTK specs. I could be wrong, because it's very difficult to read the data in the charts, but it looks like the same tables that are in the 1941 Bonney-Gray catalog I posted a few months back.

The chisels are either too long or have the wrong cut. They didn't make a 3/8" drive-pin punch. They made 1/4" and 1/8", but they were 6" long. They didn't make flat or half-round files with a smooth cut. They didn't make a three-square. They did make a round 8" bastard.

Having said all that, it's the same story with Plomb, Vlchek, and Snap-On. Since none of the major service tool maker catalogs seem to match the GMTK specs, it's possible the Ordnance Dept was special ordering from them and/or precision machinist tool makers like Mayhew and Starrett. Or, as we have discussed, that the catalog is only highlighting popular or common sizes and others could always be made and ordered.
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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by Wingnutt » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:40 am

mudbox wrote:Strange that the 'A' series sockets end at the 1" size...
VERY strange, mud - and great catch. I just went back and checked the 1932, 1939, and 1941 catalogs. Same thing in all of them. Why it's particularly troubling to us is that the second MVMTS (October 1942 SNL N-19) and every MVMTS and GMTS to follow - specified sockets with "straight" walls. It doesn't look like Bonney was making straight wall sockets in opening sizes larger than 1". As you guys well know, the GMTK had two (2) sockets over that at 1-1/16" and 1-1/8". Unless that, too, is an artifact of using existing catalog data. Has anyone ever seen a Bonney A series socket bigger than 1"?

What's so ironic about this is that it is completely juxtaposed to the GMTK situation. The "A" series is fine for the first MVMTS (OQMG Circ 4), which did not include those two extra sockets. Its largest socket was 1". On the other hand, the "D" series has those sizes, but the GMTK specs want sockets with straight, not tapered, walls.
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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by Wingnutt » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:05 am

Silly's MB wrote: Tapered use more material although the bigger sizes need the additional material for strength.
I agree with the first part of this statement, Roger. That's precisely what makes the straight wall more desirable, as tapered sockets have less clearance. The second part doesn't scale across the industry, though. In 1943 Snap-On had already been making extra-thin straight wall sockets (their "SW" series) in sizes up to 1-1/4" for years. At least since 1937, IIRC. I'm starting to think Bonney, as much as I admire them for many tools, was just behind industry on this. (I've always found it odd they were still making reversible ratchets with a removable plug so late as well.)
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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by d42jeep » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:58 am

Thanks for posting this catalog, Tin! Great job. Below are some pictures of what I assume would be the roll for Ignition Wrench Set No. 16, described but not pictured on page 54. This set had 9 pieces.
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Re: 1943 Bonney Catalog

Post by Wingnutt » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:31 am

Don,

Wow. Nice pouch. Just waiting to be filled with mudbox's wrenches! :lol:

No. 16 is shown in the 1939 catalog...

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No. 17 is the late war set, with 11 pockets, with the mini pliers and screwdriver (are you seeing the resemblance of No. 001 shown above to the screwdriver I sent you, Jason? TOLD YA!).
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