Dodge Kit Again.

[Roger]

I am posting these tools again, because I would like to nail down some further information. And hoping Chuck's friend would gather it for us.

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This is a photo of a WC tool kit purchased in the 1970s by the current owner, a photo from a manual on the ¾ ton WC circa 1942-1943, and a copy of the tool kit list for the Dodge WC. If you would care to post it for the guys to check out and save for their records, that would be great….

It came in a canvas tool bag. Inside a cheesecloth type fabric was the brownish protective paper containing the tools.

They were as follows:

FIVE Vlchek Wrenches: ALLOY STEEL, the same greenish parked finish, covered in heavy cosmoline.

They are: 731A, 27, 727, 725 and 721X.

Screwdriver: 11” IRWIN (name printed on handle) in cosmoline

Screwdriver: ANDROCK marked with wooden handle Phillips head in cosmoline

Screwdriver: ANDROCK marked with wooden handle Phillips head in cosmoline

11” Adj.: VLCHEK in heavy cosmoline

Pliers: VLCHEK in heavy cosmoline

SPW: No mfger info given to me…in heavy cosmoline

Winch Shear Pins: Inside small envelope…in heavy cosmoline

This is probably a kit for a 3/4 Ton WC, but it does verify that Vlchek did provide the wrenches, pliers and adj. wrench.

It also provides additional support for the ALLOY STEEL type of tools, and does not have any Cr-Mo ones…for whatever that is worth.




"Column 5" shows ordance part number? "Column 6" shows Manufacturer number. Clearly W-xxxx style wrenches


Ordance part number repeated.


Chuck kindly asked for and recieved additional photos of the Pliers and Adjustable.
As suspected the pliers are the Flying V*

It is hard to see the logo stamped on the Moving Jaw* of the Swept Handle* Adjustable. I have taken pictures of one I have to show clearer the markings.



The * denotes my terminoligy, Just the best way I can describe them.

[Roger]

I was wondering if the owner would mind verifying a couple of things.

Is the hammer marked with the Vlchek (block letter) logo running the same direction as the handle. Or is it a "Shielded V" marked in the saddles?

Is the shaft of the Irwin Marked "Irwin USA", "Irwin USofA" or marked with the Gov Stock Number?

The Androck screwdrivers are a first for me. Are there any other markings, on the shaft perhaps?

The illustration of the kit from the TM, appears to be the Vlchek brand that do have the "Flying V" logo on the ferrule. The handles appear to be black painted, Giving further insight to both being suppied to these types of kits.

[Chuck Lutz]

Roger I will pass this along, but I think you can see the printed info on the handle of the screwdriver. Are you asking if in addition to the printing on the handle if the shaft also has the stamped markings?

The illustration of the kit for 3/4 ton Dodge Truck '42-'43 seems to show the screwdriver with the printed info on the handle also, but it's not a for sure thing....

[lucakiki]

Roger, have you noticed how the 11" adj has the same federal stock as the adjustables for the jeep? 41-W-448
Obvious, I know.
It is just that a tool with that number might not be actually suitable for use with the jeep hub wrench. Something that should be taken for granted .


On the list is referenced as having a TXKA2B drawing number, while on the drawing the tool E , adjustable wrench, is shown as TKAX3A.
TKAX3A is shown, on the list, as being the 8" Crescent type wrench.
One of those errors...

[Doug Page]

Is there a pic showing the isns on these wrenches instead of the w numbers? The other interseting point is the manuel calls for a tobrin screwdriver, yet there is a irwin.

[Roger]

Is there a pic showing the isns on these wrenches instead of the w numbers? The other interseting point is the manuel calls for a tobrin screwdriver, yet there is a irwin.

Doug, I think the key is to just use the "Vehicular Spare Parts and Equipment" list just for cross referencing "Ordinance part numbers". Not sure anyone knows what year it is from. I suspect much later if not after WWII.

The Ordinance numbers TGBX1A match size and design on the dated 1942-43 Equipment list for the screwdriver. Chuck pointed out in another thread that the sizes for the 721 vs. W-1012 etc. are the same.

I am very interested to hear from the owner of the kit, if markings will shed any light on the Gov. Stock number Irwin.

[lucakiki]

Roger, the Irwin in the picture looks as having the brand stamped on Wood.

[Roger]

Roger, the Irwin in the picture looks as having the brand stamped on Wood.

Were they only marked on handle OR shaft?

[Roger]

The Vlchek domestic sales catalog show the hammers from 16 oz up, In half pound intervals. Perhaps the suspected industrial catalog shows them in other sizes. But, Could it be the hammers spec'd in this kit were total weight including handle? Another question to ponder! Perhaps J.P. Could weigh the one in photo? It might answer that question.

[Chuck Lutz]

The Dodge Tool Kit canvas bag is the same size as the jeep canvas bag, but the metal strip extends the full length. This has been mentioned before as soemthing in the jeep tool kit that might have been an early feature. Does anyone remember that posting?

It has the Dodge part number 919197 stamped under the mfger name.

"XXX WEST TEXTILE CO."
"PART NO. 919197"

I can't see if it says "OLD WEST" for sure, the three first letters are blurred, but "WEST" is 99% a positive.

More to come...

edited for mfg name for Roger.....

[Roger]

The Dodge Tool Kit canvas bag is the same size as the jeep canvas bag, but the metal strip extends the full length. This has been mentioned before as soemthing in the jeep tool kit that might have been an early feature. Does anyone remember that posting?

It has the Dodge part number 919197 stamped under the mfger name.

More to come...

And the mfger name IS?..........

[Chuck Lutz]

Roger, if you believe wikipedia, the weight of a ball-peen hammer is determined by the weight of the HEAD.

[Roger]

Roger, if you believe wikipedia, the weight of a ball-peen hammer is determined by the weight of the HEAD.

Yes also confirmed by the catalogs. Just curious why a 20 oz. when Vlchek catalogs show only 1/2 lb increments over the 1 lb size. It seems to be the trend with all manufacturers also. But some slight variances do occur. Just another one of them curosities!....

Thanks for the update on the Name on the bag!

[Chuck Lutz]

I'd be interested to see a list of ball-peen hammer weights for all those tool boxes you guys are trying to fill....if you could list the length of the head and the diameter of the face, any specific mfger to look out for or marking, that would be great....

Maybe for other vehicles as well?

I keep seeing ball-peens that meet the specs of the ones on the gee at 16oz, but some are smaller and some are larger.

What are you guys looking for?

[Quasimodo]

In case you're interested, the list and illustrations of Dodge tools above came from the 1944 stock reprint of the June 1943 issue of ORD 7 SNL G-502.

I believe that some of the wrench sizes did change over the years but to track that you would need copies of all editions of:

Ord 7 SNL G-502, Jan 1943, Truck, 3/4-Ton, 4x4 (Dodge Model T214). (Updated - April 1943, June 1943, March 1945, April 1948, July 1951).