Dodge Kit Again.

[Roger]

Sure enough Doug! I didn't look close at those model numbers because it was next to the "Bumping Hammer" Looking again, it does show the model for the ball pein!

Here are a little larger views of the TM and the Vlchek Catalog. Might help to understand what Doug has discovered...
TM for Dodge kit.

Vlchek 1939 Catalog.


Thanks again Doug!

[Roger]

1944 manual

[lucakiki]

Roger, the open end wrenches on the Dodge list are referred to with the Vlchek W series codes.
The Vlchek wrenches in the J.P. kit are the ISN Alloy steel kind.

So here is the question: since they are basically the same wrenches, obviously corresponding to the same ordnance drawing number,would it be plausible that they at first supplied W coded wrenches and then ISN wrenches?

Second question: the earlier list mentions 41-W-486 Adjustable wrench, 8". Since it cannot be a Vlchek made wrench like the 11" Auto type, who could have supplied it?

[Roger]

Luca, You may have noticed already but in the latest illustration I posted doesn't have an 8" adjustable nor is it on the tool list. Might it have been eliminated about the same time as the Jeep kit?

I know everyone loves a good mystery and hates theories. But here is my theory!....

Looking at the equipment list on the first page of this topic, You'll notice that several of the tools have double manufacturer listings. When doubled one always seem to all be "CC" Chrysler Corp. My thought is that if the military didn't have a spec drawn up they allowed Dodge to fill at their discretion as long as they were similar in design, some have only the CC code. And the items with just the manufacturer code must be filled with that brand and model. Maybe Halliburton was around then too and owned part of the tool companies??....

Could Chrysler have had a line of tools? Possibly, But given the differing tools I highly doubt it. Also as Dodge Brothers is also listed on the tool supplier list. They did at least have a wrench or set of wrenches for civilian car tool kit. Could be a contract with some forging company and had their brand tattoo'd on them.


Anyway good luck with the 8" question!

Here's a tidbit on the General Detroit FE as supplied to the 3/4 ton Dodge.

[lucakiki]

Roger, yes I had noticed that the 8" is not present in the last list, and that is why I mentioned earlier list!
And yes, I asked elsewhere if it got dispensed with as in the Jeep tool kits.

Maybe that Chrysler Corporation had their own part number for the required tool, in case they should supply a replacement, but that does not imply they actually made it.
Just as tools tagged with a Ford Motor Co were not made by Ford.

I admit, I got more involved in Dodge tools than I would have liked to, just because of a set that I tried to assemble with your help!
Maybe those who really know the whole story will chime in with their appreciated information.

[pierino]

anyone that could check for me a VLCHEK screwdriver on their period catalogue: VL FR-3231 ?

...I'd love to have details and maybe an image.

(by the way, this is Dodge p/n CC855037)


thank you!
maurizio

[Wingnutt]

Hi Maurizio,

I just checked the 1936, 1941, and 1949 catalogs. All screwdrivers have part numbers that begin with a prefix beginning with an "S". SA, SDC, SUM, etc. No screwdrivers have a suffix "3231", regardless of the prefix. Same goes for tools. There are no tool listed in those catalogs with a "3231" part number, regardless of the prefix. By the way, if you want to check yourself, they are all available for free viewing or download from the International Tool Catalog Library.

Do you have more context? What kind of screwdriver is it? Post an image. Post an excerpt of the SNL or reference.

[pierino]

Hi Maurizio,

I just checked the 1936, 1941, and 1949 catalogs. All screwdrivers have part numbers that begin with a prefix beginning with an "S". SA, SDC, SUM, etc. No screwdrivers have a suffix "3231", regardless of the prefix. Same goes for tools. There are no tool listed in those catalogs with a "3231" part number, regardless of the prefix. By the way, if you want to check yourself, they are all available for free viewing or download from the International Tool Catalog Library.

Do you have more context? What kind of screwdriver is it? Post an image. Post an excerpt of the SNL or reference.

thank you for helping in this. information is coming from Dodge 1945 SNL G-657 (Master Parts List) - or 1941 TM 10-1199 Master Parts List. they are listing the same p/n (CC855037) as the only screwdriver for T-215 trucks. this p/n refers to "vendor number" VLCHEK FR-3231. I'm not aware about the "shape" of this screwdriver.

see pictures.

ciao
maurizio

[Wingnutt]

A mystery, indeed, Maurizio. I should've included this in my first reply - note that there are no tools of any kind in the 1936, 1941, or 1949 Vlchek catalogs with a part number having "FR" as its prefix. Very strange. When you consider that Vlchek consistently used as phonetic based part numbering system - hammers (H), wrenches (W), screwdrivers (S), pliers (P), etc etc - without fail, even stranger. If that's a mistake, and FR3231 is not a screwdriver, can you think of a tool that would have "FR" as a prefix?