WWII pioneer tool bracket

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WWII pioneer tool bracket

Post by Bean » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:42 pm

Im looking for a WWII style pioneer tool bracket.Does anyone have one for sale??

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Post by Joe Gopan » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:59 pm

Robin here on G503 has exact repros off and on.
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Post by dpcd67 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:13 pm

VPW had some last year when I got two for my WC63.
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Post by 33rdsignal » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:51 am

Which style are you looking for? the straight center bar or the angled center bar. Both were used during WW2.
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Post by 33rdsignal » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:20 am

Contrary to popular belief the "M Series" pioneer rack made its appearance in November 1942 Army Motors
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And one can be seen in use in April 1944 in Naples Italy.
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So really it would depend on what style you would like, since both were available Post November 1942
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Post by Gordon_M » Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:31 pm

Now that's interesting.

I always preferred the earlier rack with the straight bar, and I noticed that it always seemed heavier than the later ones, but I didn't know there was as much as 5lbs of difference.

I'd always fit the earlier rack to an earlier truck, but now we have a date. Dodge 3/4 tons like Command and Carryall were still leaving the factory mid-42 with plain tailgates - no racks or mounts for them, so the period when only the straight bar racks were fitted must have been just a few months, mid to late '42. There was probably a pile sent out for field fitment though, as you can see wide variations as to how they were (retro?) fitted on the Dodge half ton WCs
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Re: WWII pioneer tool bracket

Post by Bean » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:08 pm

Very interesting,I didn't know that.Im working on a 1/2 ton commandcar,So Id prefer the early one.

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Post by dpcd67 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:00 pm

I had no idea the M series type bracket was available in 42; I always use the "WW2" type straight bar, on all WW2 vehicles, because I thought the slant bar type was post war or at least, very late war.
Yes, the straight bar ones are longer and noticeably heavier, than the slant bar type.
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Post by Joe Gopan » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:54 pm

M-Series Pioneer Brackets are slightly longer than the WWII version which could be straight or slanted. The bolt holes of the EEII anf M-Series do not line iup because of the different length. I have the WWII Straight version on my CCKW and have several NOS and used M-Series which are slanted and longer than either type WWII.
One will note that the M-Series exist under more than one ORD # for the basic bracket for no apparant reason.
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Re: WWII pioneer tool bracket

Post by Travelfix » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:16 pm

Funny, I have one mounted on my WC12 It's the one with the slant bar and it's definitely shorter than the straight vertical rack. I also though for many years that the slant bar version was post war.

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Re: WWII pioneer tool bracket

Post by Gordon_M » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:27 am

Travelfix wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:16 pm
Funny, I have one mounted on my WC12 It's the one with the slant bar and it's definitely shorter than the straight vertical rack. I also though for many years that the slant bar version was post war.
That is pretty much correct, as the earlier Dodges left the factory before fitment of that rack was introduced, so it was done as a field fit - Modification Work Order or whatever. I suspect if you look at it the mounting holes on the truck were just hand drilled none too tidily and not in an exact location. The shortness suggests it could have been swapped out though.

That's one of those things that if you know a bit about it you think it is wrong and has to be removed, but once you realise why it is that way you know it can stay. ( it would probably look better with a straight bar one, if a good example passes you by, though )
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