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Post by jeepscott3 » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:43 pm

On the passenger side, the floor of the tool box is welded at the correct height in the box so that the hole in the interior wall allows any water in the tool box to drain into the rear seat area. On the driver's side the floor was welded just a bit too high on the walls and the hole for the drain is hidden by the 1/2" flange of the floor that is tacked against the interior wall of the rear seat area.
Just to clarify, are you saying that both holes are present, and just that one does not function as it was meant because of an assembly error? I can easily understand this happening.

But just in the case of these holes being present or not, does anyone have an example that does not have these holes. Jeeps that were restored don't count all that much since it is easy to fill in an "extra" hole and forget that you did it (I have), and if they were obviously modified by a previous owner in this area that doesn't count either. Just looking for some good solid evidence. I know a lot of people posted that they did not have the drain holes, but I think at least some of you were mistaken in what holes we were looking for.
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Post by gearhead » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:09 pm

A small clarification, my 3-45 MB tub has not been restored.
The Frank Buck collection are all original except the 6-42 GPW,
that has been restored using the original script body.
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Post by Mark Tombleson » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:19 pm

jeepscott3 wrote: But just in the case of these holes being present or not, does anyone have an example that does not have these holes. Jeeps that were restored don't count all that much since it is easy to fill in an "extra" hole and forget that you did it (I have), and if they were obviously modified by a previous owner in this area that doesn't count either. Just looking for some good solid evidence. I know a lot of people posted that they did not have the drain holes, but I think at least some of you were mistaken in what holes we were looking for.
My MB-NAVY-MZ-1 body was unrestored when we got it back in 1962 and does not have the holes. I must note the body is not the same as standard. Just remember the always and never rule. :)
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Post by jeepscott3 » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:55 pm

Just started a new post if you wish to input your data, please jump to http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.ph ... 909#504909
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Post by iron duck » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:43 am

Chuck,

If I was reading and understanding your post right, even your GPW has the drain holes, but due to a factory assembly mistake, one of the drain holes was useles.

Is that right ?

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Post by Bangle 99 » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:52 am

My Jan '43 unrestored Willy's tub has the holes.
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Post by iron duck » Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:02 am

"I must note the body is not the same as standard."

Marc, please clarify what you mean with not to be standard.

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Post by Mark Tombleson » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:33 pm

Luc, I will not get into all the differences, just understand the radio jeep bodies, while they look the same from 20' have features that are very different.
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This thread is about drain holes. :wink:

Well... now I have to apologize.

The hole is on both sides of the interior, just completely covered up with the tab for the tool box.

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Post by gearhead » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:09 pm

It has been brought to my attention, so I with to clarify some
information I posted on "the Frank Buck" collection.
Three of the listed jeeps were sold by Frank and are not
actually in his collection, the 9-44 MB, 6-45 GPW and 12-42 GPW.
Anyway Frank has had more nice military collectables over the years
than most of us get to even see and touch.
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Post by Alasdair Brass » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:29 pm

Hi guys,
Back to the holes! I spoke with a guy on Saturday that most of you will have heard of. John Geesink has built jeep panels for over 30 years and he has never seen what he believes to be a factory tool box drain hole. He feels that if they were a factory feature, they would belong to very late production. Now, I realise this is just one man's observation, but one would expect a person that has made a living out of making very detailed reproduction panels would have noticed something. His explanation for many jeeps being found with the holes today is the possibility of tubs being modified during a rebuild programme.

I think we have some way to go before we can say they (holes) were or were not factory and, if so, what time period. I find this subject to be most fascinating and look forward to reading further comment.

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Post by iron duck » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:55 pm

Dear Al,

I am pretty sure all standard jeeps had those drain holes when leaving the factory.
Only these holes are so fast overlooked that I am not surprised that many restored jeeps duos not have them anymore.
About John Geesink, When I bougt that bunch of GP's, there was one body that John made.
It is beautifull, and not many people on this earth shall do better.
But, nobody is perfect.

I took a look on my MA, and this jeep duos not have the drain holes in the toolboxes.
As this body is restored I am afraid that on this restoration the holes are forgotten also.
I know someone with an unrestored MA body that I will ask to clarify for me.

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Post by Jon » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:59 pm

Has anyone given the consideration these "drain" holes may be jig alignment holes....?? and nothing to do with drainage.

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Post by John » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:04 pm

If these holes were indeed a post war addition or modification, I believe it would be safe to assume that someone would just grab a drill and drill a hole. The holes shown in the photos so far could not have been drilled by a normal drill and drill bit. The floor area would have been damaged by such drilling. Besides, why would they all be drilled in such a uniform position, and why would anyone try to drill so that they caught half the hole above the tool box floor?

So, we either have to assume that they were carefully cut using a milling bit by backyard mechanics, bubbas and motor pool mechanics, or, they were indeed factory holes that we have not paid attention to in the past.

I felt rather foolish that I had never noticed them on my original gpw body before. Logic dictates to me that they were factory holes.

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Post by jeepscott3 » Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:28 pm

Jon, if they were alighnment holes, then why do so may of them not line up with the coresponding pannel perfectly.
I suppose it is good to look at all of the possibilities, but the way they are lined up with the floor of the toolbox makes being a drain hole the most plausible so far. Not a very good drain hole, but on paper it makes sense. Under normal conditions the only time water would get in there is when you open up the lid briefly and it happens to be raining, if you throw something wet in there, or possibly small amount of condensation forming on the walls. The lids do seem to keep it pretty dry in there, even if the seal is gone.
As for this being a late feature, I would definitly dissagree. So far on the other post just asking "does you tub have them or not" everyone has responded that they have them except for one person who seems to still be figuring out what holes we are asking about. Most of the responses so far have been Ford bodies, and I can attest to at least 3 Ford Scrip tubs having them. We need more resposes from the Willys owners.
Please go to http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=88017 and enter your pure data. I think we can prove that at least most standard production MB and GPW jeeps had this feature, whatever you think it is.
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Post by Alasdair Brass » Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:55 pm

Hi guys,
One comment John made was that GP's had them. I should have mentioned that in my earlier post. So, what do we know? We know for sure that not all tubs have them and that is about all we know for sure. It might take factory photos to prove this one as I don't think anything else is going to.

As a foot note, my Dec '43 MB (ACM type 1) does not have the holes and it is not restored.

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