trouble removing synchro

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trouble removing synchro

Post by Littlewood » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:52 am

I'm having the same issue that is show in this video, anyone have a solution to removing the synchro without damaging the shaft? Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlVMPpPYmuE
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Re: trouble removing synchro

Post by Wolfman » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:23 am

Most likely, the snap ring, that holds the synchronizer hub in place on the shaft, has rolled up a slight burr on the spline at the front of snap ring groove.
A Drimmel tool with a small stone, to dress the burr off, will solve the problem.
Not much room to work with the file.
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Re: trouble removing synchro

Post by donk_316 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:21 am

OR

piece of wood and rubber mallet. The synchro is getting replaced anyways right?
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Re: trouble removing synchro

Post by Chuck Lutz » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:00 am

If you have a length of emery paper to wrap around the shaft, you can rotate the shaft and possible remove the burr on the snap ring edge.
I would not always assume that replacing the HUB is a foregone conclusion.
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Re: trouble removing synchro

Post by Littlewood » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:43 am

thank for the information will inspect mine and see which method will work best, I has planning on salvaging the whole assemble except the synchro as this and the rails are the only parts that seem damaged. I was in an accident in the Jeep, transmission worked perfect prior, i now want to transplant all the guts in to a new case, I haven done this before but looking forward to the challenge.

any opinion on these case offered... they advertise as WOF, but are they?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jeep-MB-GPW- ... xyhlJRcEUF
1945 MB Willy's
1944 M29C Weasel
1945 GMC CCKW353
1945 Gemco 1/4 Trailer
1944 WLA
Radios : BC1306, BC-1000, BC-611F's, BC-620, SCR 528 PE-120, PE-237, GRC-9, DY88
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Re: trouble removing synchro

Post by donk_316 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:43 am

They are. That seller is solid. Bought from him before.
GPW 112092
DoD 04-30-43
USA 20372531 (orig)
MVPA 35963

GPW 120771 frame for sale
GPW 120743 engine for sale
GPW October 1943 ACM1 tub and hood (with #) for sale
April 1942 GPW tub and frame for sale
**will trade for wartime 1/4T trailer**

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Re: trouble removing synchro

Post by Littlewood » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:45 pm

Thanks for that it’s good to know
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1944 M29C Weasel
1945 GMC CCKW353
1945 Gemco 1/4 Trailer
1944 WLA
Radios : BC1306, BC-1000, BC-611F's, BC-620, SCR 528 PE-120, PE-237, GRC-9, DY88
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Re: trouble removing synchro

Post by dinof » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:49 pm

But does the case have WOF stamped on it? If not beware. Oh and while your at it, put a .040 spacer on the 2nd-3rd shift rail between the fork & case of the transmission to limit the travel of your shift.
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Re: trouble removing synchro

Post by Littlewood » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:37 am

See attached pictures of the case, WOF?
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1945 MB Willy's
1944 M29C Weasel
1945 GMC CCKW353
1945 Gemco 1/4 Trailer
1944 WLA
Radios : BC1306, BC-1000, BC-611F's, BC-620, SCR 528 PE-120, PE-237, GRC-9, DY88
Generators: PE 210-B & PE-75

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Re: trouble removing synchro

Post by dinof » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:11 pm

Yep, that's mine that I bought. That logo that is a circle/star pattern is what I have. Like I said, just make sure you do not allow the 3 shift plates to expose themselves to the point you can see the "dimple" that is in the middle of them. Ignoring this and you take a chance of them popping up and jamming the shift. MIne was good in the 2nd gear mode, but not in the 3rd gear mode. Let me know, there is an easy fix.

A well schooled member here acknowledged the problem and his fix was what I was doing. His take was that these are repos sold in France. Photos of French Hotchkiss cases I saw had "WOF" stamped on them. This is all I know. The member that knew this or offer his take on this, lived in Germany. He was banned or he removed himself because he was harassed by a few here. If he was here, he would of cleared this up more than I can.
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Re: trouble removing synchro

Post by Littlewood » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:41 am

Thanks dino, its disappointing that its not WOF as thats what was advertised. Im going to look for a period correct one and shelf this one unless nothing comes up, the Transmission case on my damaged one was marked G 11 44 D.

cheers James
1945 MB Willy's
1944 M29C Weasel
1945 GMC CCKW353
1945 Gemco 1/4 Trailer
1944 WLA
Radios : BC1306, BC-1000, BC-611F's, BC-620, SCR 528 PE-120, PE-237, GRC-9, DY88
Generators: PE 210-B & PE-75

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