Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

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Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by signsup » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:56 am

Got an inquiry from a local club memberoffering to sell a set of Ford marked jeep NDT tires. I have seen some on other jeeps and did a little research a while ago and did not absorb it.
It is my understanding that Coker or someone offered a Ford tire but not only no longer make them, but they havent' since the 70's or 80's. I would be interested in these tires, but do drive the jeep from event to event, so would want them road worthy as well and not some 50 year old rubber.

Can anyone shed some light on when these tires were available? Presume it was a trade mark or copy right issues that stopped production as it would seem to be a popular item for GPW owners.

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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by Klaas » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:53 am

Hi Robert,
Those Ford marked tyres were indeed made by Coker until the late 80's -early 90's.
I was lucky to find a NOS set at my friends shop 2 years ago when I refurbished my GPW. Fitted them and have driven over 2000 miles on them now including long runs up to 150 miles, without any mishap and no visible wear, so I am very happy with them.
The only thing was that I had to shell out 300 euro's each (about 330 USD) :(
The most important thing is how they were stored between production and now. Mine were kept upright in semi-darkness and not too hot.
The tread pattern is different to the original Ford produced tyres according to the people in the know, but to the casual eye it will be OK.
Some more information in this old thread: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=207109&start=30
And this one: viewtopic.php?f=95&t=194713

And this one: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=308356&p=1793237#p1793237
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by Joe Friday » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:43 pm

I MAY BE WRONG but I believe you will find that DENMAN was the manufacturer of the FORD reproduction tires, and when Denman's assets were sold in bankruptcy that COKER obtained the Ford re-production molds. I do not recall if COKER ever contracted to have any made, but I do know there was a licensing issue with them (and all of them RE-produced have the wrong tread pattern and pitch sequence on them anyway)
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Post by tractor12 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:44 pm

I have contacted Coker and I know several others have and all where told sorry not enough interest. We tried to argue we could sell a few hundred sets
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by dinof » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:49 pm

You can always check the manufacture date that is stamped on the tire. Usually it's in a raise oval shaped area.
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by Joe Gopan » Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:28 am

I used to sell DENMAN, they made the repro "FORD" tires. I recall the various NDT's by Denman being noticeably smaller in diameter than the same size in other brand name NDT's
Like maybe 3/4" or more on 6.00 X 16 and nearly 2" on 7.50 X 20 GI Isssue NDT. I do not have any Denmans left to compare.
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by signsup » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:08 am

So I've got to inquire about this . . .
did Ford supply tires for jeeps in WWII? All reference to these tires are in conjunction with the reproduction tires. Am I in love with the Ford logo for a GPW and the jeep police all know that Ford NDT tires never existed? Like F marked reproduction parts that were never marked F as originals? I have seen other jeeps at shows with the Ford tires and was impressed. After reading about the off spec reproductions, I am less enamered.

In my other vehicle collections, I am not aware of Ford tires for Model T's or Model A's. I knew Henry was a close friend of Harvey Firestone, so did not think he would produce his own tires. But, according to my wife, I've been wrong before . . .
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by Michael O. » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:34 am

My advice would be to STAY AWAY from the Coker “Ford” tires. They are very bad reproductions and most g503 guys with even an ounce of knowledge can point out all the faults. They are absolutely wrong. Better to spend your money on the Goodyear or Firestones currently available. They are virtually identical to the originals.
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by Michael O. » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:36 am

signsup wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:08 am
So I've got to inquire about this . . .
did Ford supply tires for jeeps in WWII?
Is this a trick question? Of course Ford supplied their own tires...until December 1942. When Ford stopped production of tires the Ford tire molds were crated up and shipped off to the Russians...never to be seen again, that I know of.
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by Joe Gopan » Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:09 am

We had customers with immediate postwar 46-47 Ford sedans that had Ford brand civilian 6.00 X 16 tires mounted. This was in the mid 50's.
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by signsup » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:50 am

ot meant to be a trick question. It is my understanding that Ford produced some military tires from 1938 until 1942. I just didn't know if any made it onto GPW assembly lines. I guess they did. Mike, I appreciate the candor on these tires. I did just acquire a set of five from an auction out of state
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along with 6 combat rims. $100 for five tires. $60 for six combat rims. $65 for an M100. I'll spned more on gas and hotel than I did on these items. I'll wait until I see how funky the tires look. I may mount them on the combat rims and have a set to put on for displays that are not jeep police attended. I know the Ford only shows that I take the GPW to will get a kick out of the Ford tires.

As long as they don't kick them too hard.
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by Michael O. » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:23 pm

Robert, I realize people spend a lot of time seeking out these Ford tires and once they purchase some only realize later that they simply paid for an incorrectly recreated FORD logo on an otherwise average NDT tire. These Coker tires aren’t really even close to the actual Ford NDT produced during the war. I find it amusing that the guys in Europe are paying $300+ per tire! They’ll spend money on just about anything as long as it says FORD on it. :lol:

To each their own.

$100 for 5 of these tires would be hard to pass up though. I’d run these as my daily driving tires and save my proper Goodyear and Firestones for nicer occasions. Great buy at $100 Robert! Maybe you could sell them to someone in Europe and make a very nice profit! They’re worth over $1500 over there.
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by Ed Roberts » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:41 pm

While I don't recall many details, I do recall Henry bought his own rubber plantation so as to better control his costs of supply and manufacturing. The info is out there for those wishing to poke around on the internet. I don't know that Ford made their own tires or rather sold the rubber to maker(s) of such
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by Bill H. » Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:06 pm

signsup wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:50 am
ot meant to be a trick question. It is my understanding that Ford produced some military tires from 1938 until 1942. I just didn't know if any made it onto GPW assembly lines. I guess they did. Mike, I appreciate the candor on these tires. I did just acquire a set of five from an auction out of state combat rims.jpg along with 6 combat rims. $100 for five tires. $60 for six combat rims. $65 for an M100. I'll spned more on gas and hotel than I did on these items. I'll wait until I see how funky the tires look. I may mount them on the combat rims and have a set to put on for displays that are not jeep police attended. I know the Ford only shows that I take the GPW to will get a kick out of the Ford tires.

As long as they don't kick them too hard.Ford Tires.jpgM100.jpg
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Re: Reproduction Ford NDT tires.

Post by Klaas » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:12 am

Joe Friday wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:43 pm
I MAY BE WRONG but I believe you will find that DENMAN was the manufacturer of the FORD reproduction tires, and when Denman's assets were sold in bankruptcy that COKER obtained the Ford re-production molds. I do not recall if COKER ever contracted to have any made, but I do know there was a licensing issue with them (and all of them RE-produced have the wrong tread pattern and pitch sequence on them anyway)
Hi Joe,
Had a good look at my reproduction Ford tires today and mine are definitely made by Coker.
Tread pattern and pitch are the same as the newly produced Firestones that everybody is so lyrical about. :wink:
Fortunately we don't have the jeep police over here, so most people do not notice anything wrong with the Coker Ford tires.
Cost is always an issue here in Europe as shipping tires from the USA is not cheap.

Robert, for $100 for 5 new tires, you cannot go wrong! Enjoy your tires and love the comments :D
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