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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306

Post by htc » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:34 pm

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Great patience and skills Hans.
Thank you Mark,

Maybe too much detail in my posts but as the main purpose was to keep track of how long it takes an amateur (like me) to restore a tub that is how I decided to do it.
150 hours is a lot but it is 150 hours of fun. I am happy though that I do not have to pay somebody to do this....

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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306

Post by htc » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:40 pm

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I remembered today another cause of corrosion is manure(cow dung).
Hello Fernando,

Thank you for your post and the picture. It is very interesting because one can see in your picture in detail how the side reinforcement is welded at he top. It is the four/five welds that have a round structure.
Even though the reinforcement in my tub was completely gone on the bottom the top was still intact and had these same welds at the top (can be seen on one of my pictures).
I did not do a good job at welding in my new reinforcement. Maybe I will try to repair this :-)

And I forgot the two holes!!!! :!: :oops: This I will definitely repair.

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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306

Post by fernando mendes » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:06 pm

htc wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:40 pm
fernando mendes wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:24 pm
I remembered today another cause of corrosion is manure(cow dung).
Hello Fernando,

Thank you for your post and the picture. It is very interesting because one can see in your picture in detail how the side reinforcement is welded at he top. It is the four/five welds that have a round structure.
Even though the reinforcement in my tub was completely gone on the bottom the top was still intact and had these same welds at the top (can be seen on one of my pictures).
I did not do a good job at welding in my new reinforcement. Maybe I will try to repair this :-)

And I forgot the two holes!!!! :!: :oops: This I will definitely repair.

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I am disturbing your job.I felt this when my friend began my job(tranny floor) in march and in the end of each day I put some pics showing all our job.Good luck.
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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306

Post by htc » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:10 am

Hello,

I am almost finished.
Today I will report on the final steps of the metalwork on the tub.

For the toolbox bottoms I decided to use repro. I also used repro for the toolbox frames.

This what it looks like before welding.

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And this is what it looks like after welding (I did cut out the old toolbox bottoms such that the weld will be covered by the frame).

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The toolbox frame covers the weld of the toolbox bottom

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The toolboxes repair took me 6 hours of work.

I still needed to weld in the repair of the back bottom part (another 1 hour):

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After having finished all this work I did put the tub on a rotisserie and did a lot of minor clean up things which consisted mostly of cleaning welds and spot welds adding smaller parts that I had removed. This took me another 6 hours.

After that: DONE! :D :D :D At least no more welding and grinding. :D

In my next post I will show some pictures of the finished tub and will come up with the total number of hours I reported on.

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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306

Post by htc » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:37 am

Hello,

My final post on the tub restoration.

I did quickly go through the tread and came up with a total of 126 hours of work. In my notes I did come up with 137 hours so somewhere I did forget some hours in this report. Probably also some smaller jobs here and there were not taken into account.
I will settle on 140 hours.
As I already mentioned it is 140 hours of fun and I am happy I do not have to pay somebody for doing this. :D

I took the tub out and made some pictures:

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That is it. I did save another tub! :D

I hope this is of use to somebody.
As I told you already I am not a specialist or do not have a degree in welding or whatsoever, so I hope that it shows that this kind of work can be done by anybody who is up to the challenge and has the time.

See ya!

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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306 COMPLETED!

Post by fernando mendes » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:47 am

8) :o
You are the one in this forum.It was a pleasure to talk with you.After I will send the worst part pics of my gee to you analyse.Regards.oIIIIIIo
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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306 COMPLETED!

Post by pittsjock » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:03 am

Hans -

Nicely done! I am getting there, but I am slower than you ;-)

Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306 COMPLETED!

Post by thefrenchman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:47 am

C'est fantastique!!! 8)

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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306 COMPLETED!

Post by htc » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:47 pm

thefrenchman wrote:
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C'est fantastique!!! 8)
Whoaw!

Your first post to say that it is fantastic!
I am honnored :wink:

Merci beaucoup!

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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306 COMPLETED!

Post by htc » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:59 pm

pittsjock wrote:
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Hans -

Nicely done! I am getting there, but I am slower than you ;-)

Patrick
Hello Patrick

Thanks.
I did (and continue to do) enjoy your videos on Portrayal Press.
A video say more than a 1000 pictures :wink:
I did learn from you how to shrink metal. Very important (even though I did not report on it). Thanks.

I did start this work after the sandblasting on Dec 6 2017 and I finished May 19 2018. So not exactly a fast job. Luckily this is not the only thing I do in life :)

Looking forward to more video!

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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306 COMPLETED!

Post by dpcd67 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:29 pm

It is a fantastic job for sure, no "que" on the end though. And the best thing is that you did it all yourself, which is the mark of a true restoration that you will have more pride in than if you had paid someone else to do it. Anyone can do that. I always encourage doing all the work you can, yourself. Now start the re-assembly.
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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306 COMPLETED!

Post by JAB » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:13 pm

I did similar work on the ACM type II tub I'm working on now and I must admit that you're not only faster than I am but much better! Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306 COMPLETED!

Post by htc » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:48 am

dpcd67 wrote:
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It is a fantastic job for sure, no "que" on the end though.

Now start the re-assembly.
Thank you for the reaction.

Englisch not being my native language, I do not understand the “que” on the end expression. Can you clarify?

Before re-assembly, first I need to hide the non-perfect welds and then the painting :?:
Here I have a question (Maybe I will start a new tread for this).

What do you think about the idea of sandblasting this finished tub again and give it a ‘metalization’ treatment.
The company I use for sand blasting did this ‘metalization’ on the fenders and the chassis and on all parts that did not need major restoration.
After this treatment I would do the cleaning up the welds and the painting. ?

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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306 COMPLETED!

Post by htc » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:56 am

JAB wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:13 pm
I did similar work on the ACM type II tub I'm working on now and I must admit that you're not only faster than I am but much better! Thanks for sharing!
Hello

Thank you for the reaction.

Are you sure about the faster? If you would keep track of the hours I am sure that you will see that you are faster then you think.
Also, the better I would not be certain about that. A lot of imperfections are not shown on the pictures :D 8)

And, as I said in the beginning, it is the third tub that I restore, so I start to have some experience. :wink:

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Ps. For those interested the 1st tub restoration is in the restoration thread mentioned in my signature.
The second one, I did not report on but if somebody wants the pictures, just send me a PM.
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Re: Restoration of ACM II tub 193306 COMPLETED!

Post by pittsjock » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:47 am

htc wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:48 am
What do you think about the idea of sandblasting this finished tub again and give it a ‘metalization’ treatment.
The company I use for sand blasting did this ‘metalization’ on the fenders and the chassis and on all parts that did not need major restoration.
After this treatment I would do the cleaning up the welds and the painting. ?

Greetings
Hans
Hans -

I have been doing a little research on this as well. I think you have two different issues. One is how you are going to clean up the welds and the second is metal preparation for paint.

There is a company in the US named Eastwood that sells a non-lead body filler kit for about $200. It is used like lead, with a torch, but can be sanded and worked without fear of lead contamination. I have a few areas on my tub that are going to need a little filler of some sort and I am considering this product. I have never used it, but I see a fair number of threads out there where people get excellent results. The nice part is that there is no plastic to worry about. I think the only "challenge" is that you have to learn how to work it - but I can't imagine it is that difficult.

For metal prep, if you are only dealing with surface type rust, there are a number of different treatments that will neutralize the rust and get the metal ready for paint. I think most of them are acids of one form or another. I like the product from KBS Coatings https://www.kbs-coatings.com/ called Rust Blast. Again, not completely sure about this, but I think based on the smell that it is diluted hydrochloric acid with zinc in it. You keep the metal wet with a spray bottle of the product and then need to wash it off with water and quickly dry. If the rust is a little heavier, you can use a 3M pad or even a little sandpaper to get the surface cleaner. The product leaves a slightly dull grey surface that appears to have zinc on it. I have used it on some smaller parts and the primer sticks well - no problems so far.

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