Testing my filterette

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Re: Testing my filterette

Post by YLG80 » Sat May 01, 2021 4:41 am

dgrev wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 4:04 am
Yves

What sort of oil?

Anything nasty like PCBs?

Regards
Doug

YLG80 wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:53 am

These caps are likely of the paper+oil type which are much more stable.

Yves
Hi Doug,

There is nothing similar to PCB inside a filterette capacitor, once for all :wink: .
I have sacrificed a Tobe capacitor from a Tobe filter to show that :
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And yes these are very good capacitors.

Why would they have filled up a very low voltage capacitor with PCB ?
The PCB was used to insulate with high voltages, suppress arcing, and at the same time act as a coolant.
Is that necessary withing a 6V or 12V or even 24V circuit ?

People thought that the capacitors were full of PCB because when there is a short in a filterette capacitor, it heats up a lot and the wax simply melts, flowing outside the container.
As you know beeswax becomes black when melting :) !
If the pressure increases inside the cap due to the wax melting, yes it could explode.
What else... It's under the filterette cover.

It happened to a very large cap in one of my first radios, a WS-38, and I'm still alive ! I had a lot of work cleaning up the acid spilled everywhere.
It happened again more recently with one of these "f.....g" tantalum "bad caps" made during the coltan shortage period.
Nice and loud explosion .
What else? I'm still alive... and I have repaired the PC power supply by just replaing the cap.

It's much better to have wax projections than acid from modern electrolytic capacitors.

And I'm still very happy with my filterette correctly wired as it should be :D .
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Post by Bangle 99 » Sat May 01, 2021 5:08 am

What Yves said.



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Re: Testing my filterette

Post by dgrev » Sat May 01, 2021 1:28 pm

Yves

Thanks for your reply and your link to an excellent article.

Having worked in the electrical industry, I know that PCBs were used in a lot of devices and that to some manufacturers it was
the default insulating oil.
I have read where it has been encountered on 240v devices including fluro lights and domestic electric motors.

As late as 1984 it was still being used in industrial capacitors for 240v audio frequency (hot water device remote switching over the regular power lines). These capacitors were physically large, some up to 4' high. I read the warnings that came with them.

I have also seen the results when a pitch/tar or whatever the substance was, power factor correction capacitor decided one day to
explode in a domestically installed 4' fluro. It blew the tube and cover off the fluro and morphed into telescoped sausage roughly 3' long,
of paper and tar. The tar was spread all over the kitchen, so it had got hot before it grenaded. After that, I made sure any fluro I installed did not come with a pf capacitor.

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Re: Testing my filterette

Post by YLG80 » Sat May 01, 2021 11:39 pm

Hi Doug,
Yes PCB was everywhere, as asbestos…
Each time we have to replace an HV transformer we have to inspect it and pay a lot to dispose the PCB if any.
I guess that today most of the transformers and large capacitors have been treated according to the safety rules, but now it becomes more dangerous if only a few of them are still in use in hidden locations.
People will gradually forget to take the normal precautions when handling these old devices..

BTW I’m always interested in Australia because my son is installed there, “Down Under” since years. I visited him last year for the first time just
before the general lockdown… when there was no longer any toilet paper available in the shops over there :lol: !
I have an amazing little movie of an empty shop, in a big mall in Sydney : https://youtu.be/zVv2UrTgFnM
It looked like a shop in the late USSR period :D .
I see that you are also located in NSW but in the middle of the desert :wink: .

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Re: Testing my filterette

Post by jeepfinger » Sun May 02, 2021 1:20 am

Hi Yves,
I can't view the video, it comes up private.
YLG80 wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 11:39 pm
I see that you are also located in NSW but in the middle of the desert .
I didn't know there was a desert in NSW. My son has also been ' Installed down under' in NSW, but just last year.
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Re: Testing my filterette

Post by YLG80 » Sun May 02, 2021 2:25 am

jeepfinger wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 1:20 am
Hi Yves,
I can't view the video, it comes up private.
YLG80 wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 11:39 pm
I see that you are also located in NSW but in the middle of the desert .
I didn't know there was a desert in NSW. My son has also been ' Installed down under' in NSW, but just last year.
Dave
Sorry, changed the video to public. Don’t worry, the shops were refilled about 10 day’s after :lol: .
So your son is also kind of a prisoner of the Covid, right now :shock: .
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Re: Testing my filterette

Post by jeepfinger » Sun May 02, 2021 3:36 am

Hi Yves,
YLG80 wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:25 am
So your son is also kind of a prisoner of the Covid, right now
No, Australia seems to have got Covid sorted. They have had less than 1,000 deaths.
He is working and can socialise freely, not like us Europeans. Oh, at the sort here in the UK, we had the same, no Toilet rools.

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Re: Testing my filterette

Post by Gary C V » Sun May 02, 2021 10:22 pm

Come on Dave, of course we have a desert , it's what we have after our main meal :) .

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Re: Testing my filterette

Post by jeepfinger » Tue May 04, 2021 3:11 am

Sorry Gary,

Totally slipped my mind, Yum Tim Tam's :o
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Re: Testing my filterette

Post by dgrev » Tue May 04, 2021 4:39 am

Yves

We all now know that the difference between normal and zombie apocalypse is not what everyone thought. It is actually the 48 hours it takes for people to strip supermarket shelves of all the toilet paper, it does not seem to matter where in the world you live.

I am in Broken Hill, 60km east of the South Australian border.

To swerve this discussion back to jeep, here, have a photo or 2.
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The Outback can be pretty inhospitable. Once upon a time, jeeps could be found there, but that is days long past, it has been thoroughly searched over. Now it is extreme luck to find a rusted out wreck. The one you see is only good for some handles and fittings, every panel other than the dash and cowl are beyond hope. I was able to stand on the ground, in all seating positions, in the wheel wells and in the rear tool boxes of this body. When we lifted up the body it bent at the middle joint where the access cut outs are.

For some reason G503 has stopped notifying me that people have replied to my posts, besides that is, often turning my photos upside down!

Regards
Doug
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Re: Testing my filterette

Post by dgrev » Tue May 04, 2021 4:41 am

Dave

If you look up the Arnott's Australia website, there are lots of versions of Tim Tams.

I am gluten intolerant and can't eat them due to the wheat, but many Australians
would not go travelling without a supply of Tim Tams. They are a national institution.

Regards
Doug
jeepfinger wrote:
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Sorry Gary,

Totally slipped my mind, Yum Tim Tam's :o
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