Starter Flowcharts & photobucket....reason for Jeepdraw links
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:50 am
Thanks for the encouragement & feedback. I know there is a need & we will work on it....
This 'project' is nothing new or revolutionary unless one is un-practiced & can only use the US Army’s ‘replace it’ regime propagated in 1940’s TM’s.
Some of us were 'properly' trained in & come from an un-wasteful military that actually diagnosed, repaired & fixed MB’s, GPW’s into the 1960's plus all other types of motorized equipment.
The flowchart strategy is exactly the same as manufacturers of all modern vehicles use with computer analysis or OBD's.
For example when doing a tune one needs to go through a check/test list & ensure each result is OK before going to the next step.
My experience with Volvo, BMW etc. is that even if you know what is wrong [like a common problem] you can't go straight there & fix that problem, without going through the full flow chart sequence checking everything on the way. This is very quick & painless with nothing missed or omitted.
I see something like this as essential in helping others on G503 get things right QUICKLY the first time. Get it done without spending hours reading pages of resumes & other irrelevancies, guessing & spending heaps of money unnecessarily. For example we have guys changing fuel pumps & carburettor's only to find @ the end of the day they have had an $3.50 ignition condenser problem or bad fuel, porous flex line or faulty fuel tank cap. Changing good parts with other good non returnable parts is plain stupid.
Continually we have someone, who should know better, advising folk to pull engine heads to have a peek, when absolutely nothing has been diagnosed....it’s in everyone's interest to avoid that type of inappropriate advice.
I spoke with Jon from JeepDraw yesterday after a couple of PM exchanges. As a result these 'flow chart modules' will now be posted on JeepDraw.
They will not be posted to the G as I did with the initial Electrical section on starter motors. That thread was already becoming contaminated & I asked for it to be removed.
The Starter Motor Mechanical section & testing procedure after one has the problem pin pointed & isolated to connections, starter switch &/or starter motor will be the follow on steps & this is in the pipeline. This will come as a complete module package & hopefully be completed before I leave for 3 months in the US, shortly.
Some might remember I was going to do an appendix module type thing on the T84 transmission some time ago [because John Barton's EXCELLENT guide could do with a little bit of a 2014 polish up]....this went into limbo.
This project needs to be resurrected because the current G stuff on transmissions is so confusing, plus it is impossible to wade through & glean pertinent important & relevant information.
Anyone with a GPW or MB who wants to work with me & is reasonably local, it might be possible for us to put together short instructional videos that tie in directly with the flowcharts & testing.
These short video’s could illustrate using simple inexpensive hand tools, gauges & instruments that all Jeep [& other] hobbyists should have in their toolkits. e.g. Homemade or purchased trouble light $7, automotive multimeter $6 to $35 & pressure/vacuum gauge $15.
One final point if anyone PM's me [preferred method of contact] additional information to add to the up coming JeepDraw Diagnosis Flow Charts, Testing & Repairing, if considered pertinent, it will be added. These person/s will always be cited, as the contributor.
Also if any appropriate flow chart is available that is relevant, I don't see the point of doing the work again.
If any are found, these charts will be posted on JeepDraw [cited & only with permission if ©].
John
This 'project' is nothing new or revolutionary unless one is un-practiced & can only use the US Army’s ‘replace it’ regime propagated in 1940’s TM’s.
Some of us were 'properly' trained in & come from an un-wasteful military that actually diagnosed, repaired & fixed MB’s, GPW’s into the 1960's plus all other types of motorized equipment.
The flowchart strategy is exactly the same as manufacturers of all modern vehicles use with computer analysis or OBD's.
For example when doing a tune one needs to go through a check/test list & ensure each result is OK before going to the next step.
My experience with Volvo, BMW etc. is that even if you know what is wrong [like a common problem] you can't go straight there & fix that problem, without going through the full flow chart sequence checking everything on the way. This is very quick & painless with nothing missed or omitted.
I see something like this as essential in helping others on G503 get things right QUICKLY the first time. Get it done without spending hours reading pages of resumes & other irrelevancies, guessing & spending heaps of money unnecessarily. For example we have guys changing fuel pumps & carburettor's only to find @ the end of the day they have had an $3.50 ignition condenser problem or bad fuel, porous flex line or faulty fuel tank cap. Changing good parts with other good non returnable parts is plain stupid.
Continually we have someone, who should know better, advising folk to pull engine heads to have a peek, when absolutely nothing has been diagnosed....it’s in everyone's interest to avoid that type of inappropriate advice.
I spoke with Jon from JeepDraw yesterday after a couple of PM exchanges. As a result these 'flow chart modules' will now be posted on JeepDraw.
They will not be posted to the G as I did with the initial Electrical section on starter motors. That thread was already becoming contaminated & I asked for it to be removed.
The Starter Motor Mechanical section & testing procedure after one has the problem pin pointed & isolated to connections, starter switch &/or starter motor will be the follow on steps & this is in the pipeline. This will come as a complete module package & hopefully be completed before I leave for 3 months in the US, shortly.
Some might remember I was going to do an appendix module type thing on the T84 transmission some time ago [because John Barton's EXCELLENT guide could do with a little bit of a 2014 polish up]....this went into limbo.
This project needs to be resurrected because the current G stuff on transmissions is so confusing, plus it is impossible to wade through & glean pertinent important & relevant information.
Anyone with a GPW or MB who wants to work with me & is reasonably local, it might be possible for us to put together short instructional videos that tie in directly with the flowcharts & testing.
These short video’s could illustrate using simple inexpensive hand tools, gauges & instruments that all Jeep [& other] hobbyists should have in their toolkits. e.g. Homemade or purchased trouble light $7, automotive multimeter $6 to $35 & pressure/vacuum gauge $15.
One final point if anyone PM's me [preferred method of contact] additional information to add to the up coming JeepDraw Diagnosis Flow Charts, Testing & Repairing, if considered pertinent, it will be added. These person/s will always be cited, as the contributor.
Also if any appropriate flow chart is available that is relevant, I don't see the point of doing the work again.
If any are found, these charts will be posted on JeepDraw [cited & only with permission if ©].
John