Battalion Markings?

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Battalion Markings?

Post by Road Hog » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:11 am

I noticed there were sometimes numbers on the bumper which seem to be battalion markings like on the attached photo (the number"2" before "HQ"). Those marking were yet uncommon to me; in the stencil sets are always company letter and vehicle number. Any information about this?

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Re: Battallion Markings?

Post by donk_316 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:20 am

I can only guess “2nd headquarters 8th vehicle”


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Re: Battallion Markings?

Post by Road Hog » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:14 am

May be these are onlyon HQ vehicles?

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Re: Battalion Markings?

Post by dpcd67 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:55 am

Don't forget that these guys were amateurs, and probably didn't have the AR that tells how to mark vehicles. So you see all kinds of things on them.
The vehicle number is always last, no matter what. They didn't get the memo. No one cared; there were much more important things to worry about in WW2.
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Re: Battalion Markings?

Post by Road Hog » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:33 pm

Unbelievable that correct bumper markings were not the most important thing at all. I just watched the film "A Few Good Men" and Colonel Jessup would agree :D :D :D
But: Do you agree that the first number would be the battalion?

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Re: Battalion Markings?

Post by dpcd67 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:41 pm

Probably but they aren't supposed to put the Battalion on the bumper.
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Re: Battalion Markings?

Post by Ron D » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:43 pm

Although it's changed some over the years from WW2 to today, a rifle battalion usually has 3 rifle company's and a weapons company (4 total companies). Most vehicles in a Rifle Battalion are assigned to the battalion (marked as "HQ" or "SV" for the battalion or regiment headquarters and/or service company's). Not many vehicles assigned to the rifle company (rifle outfits maneuver on foot "infantry") but maybe they had a jeep or two marked as theirs. Would have to study the TO&E in question.

In other words,
Company's A, B, C, and D (Wpns) are in the 1st Battalion
Company's E, F, G, and H (Wpns) are in the 2nd Battalion
Company's I, J, K, and L (Wpns) are in the 3rd Battalion

Meaning --- there's no point or need for marking a number to precede a company letter to identify the battalion. For example "F-6" is automatically known by everyone to belong to 2nd Battalion. Marking it "2-F-6" would be redundant. Never heard of outfits having two HQ's...

Lots of other kinds of outfits using lettered company's marked the same. At least that's how I understand it. But as was said above, who knows what the soldier holding the paint was ordered to do? Maybe it meant something in Brigades, Battle Groups, or other special kind of units?
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Re: Battalion Markings?

Post by pgcf » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:49 pm

It can also be a unit's shortcut for which section owns the vehicle.

The HQ has several elements:
S1 = Admin
S2 = Intelligence
S3 = Operations
S4 = Logistics
5 is the XO
6 is the CO

If my logic carries over then a 2HQ vehicle belongs to the Battalion's Intel section.

The "1-6" identifiers are used in radio traffic as an abbreviation to refer to the OIC or section in communications.

Hope this helps,
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