Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by nick peters » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:51 am

Hard luck mate. But at least now you'll know what to look for whenever you see another set for sale :roll:
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by wynnski » Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:01 pm

Carolinamv wrote:
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Looks like they cant for sure be Ford or Willys from what ive found.
I have noticed another difference. The crank at the riveted end of the top/forward bow is less pronounced on the Willys than the Ford one. I will take some pictures with measurements for you tomorrow.
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by wynnski » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:42 am

I took some pictures of the crank on the end of the hood bows.
These first 2 pictures are the MB, you will notice that the crank goes inwards leaving a gap showing under the edge of the ruler.
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MB hood bow cranked end
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MB hood bow crank
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...and these 2 pictures show the Ford hood bows. There is no crank, the tub runs straight into the bend. No gap between the ruler and the tube.
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GPW hood bow end
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GPW hood bow end
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by Carolinamv » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:48 am

Great info and pictures , thank you. I will take a look today.
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by wynnski » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:34 am

Carolinamv wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:48 am
Great info and pictures , thank you. I will take a look today.
Glad I can help, as others have helped me. I am learning new things all of the time. I have only been messing with Jeeps for 30 odd years and now that restoration (that is my business) increasingly needs to be correct this sort of information needs to be correct too.
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by Chuck Lutz » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:54 am

Here are both sides of the F- stamped top bows on GPW-17963:
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by Ron Fitzpatrick » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:02 am

we do manufacturer the exact Ford style bow if your interested
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by Carolinamv » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:06 am

That pretty much confirms a easy way to tell if the bows are for a MB or a GPW. The bend is very easy to see in those pictures.

I hope the repro bows nail those details in how each company made them.
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by Ralph » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:10 am

A good thread to Id MB vs GPW, F mark aside.
Ron's parts list shows both; question is...are there different dies used for each at the tooled ends? If not, which style was used? Is the only difference in the sets an F mark?
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by Carolinamv » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:54 pm

Was my question too but Ron said " they are exact copies of the bows, you will be very happy, the tooling to make these bows was over 12K and every aspect is exact, no grinding or drilling, its all die stamped "

I asked if the tooling for each was different because the pictures on the site are the same but didn't get a reply to that question. Im sure the quality is good but the details we have seen lately im just curious.
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by nick peters » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:01 pm

Ralph and Carolina
If the bows manufactured for Ron are as good as the other repro ford bows Manufactured for Mike Stopforth ( I believe it was Mike)? that I have seen, then they will have a lot of the characteristics of correct ford bows Bends stamps ect. Pretty close indeed to originals.

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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by Ralph » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:12 pm

Thanks Nick,
The graphics on Ron's site seem to be the same for both MB and GPW.I realize this could be for simplification of the page since bows are very close anyway.The ones shown appear to be the Ford style, but since we have seen on this thread the differences...can someone who orders the MB set receive a set with the original MB tooling style(unique from the Ford style) ? Or will they be the Ford style with no F (as shown on the MB selection) ?
I guess only Ron can answer.
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by Carolinamv » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:53 am

That's it Ralph, That was the big question.

Nick, Ron's bows are made in the US so I doubt they are the same as yours in England unless he shipped them over there.

Since Ron posted on the thread already about a set of Ford bows he sells maybe he can answer Ralphs question on the tooling.
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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by nick peters » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:23 am

Hello Jay
The bows that Mike did were indeed produced in America. Someone here purchased a set and had them shipped over. :) Anyway that was quite a few years ago,so Im quite sure the ones Ron is selling will be new made and accurate as possible.

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Re: Can a Top Bow expert help identify bow set?

Post by Ron Fitzpatrick » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:47 am

The bows we make here are designed after the GPW style
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Ralph wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:12 pm
Thanks Nick,
The graphics on Ron's site seem to be the same for both MB and GPW.I realize this could be for simplification of the page since bows are very close anyway.The ones shown appear to be the Ford style, but since we have seen on this thread the differences...can someone who orders the MB set receive a set with the original MB tooling style(unique from the Ford style) ? Or will they be the Ford style with no F (as shown on the MB selection) ?
I guess only Ron can answer.
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