Jerrycan RTMP

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Jerrycan RTMP

Post by patrickh » Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:52 am

Hi, i am new to this forum and have a question:

I got this Jerrycan marked RTMP. Some says it is richard thomas metal pressings, some say it is RTMP is Rio Tinto Metal Powers Quebec Canada. Who is right?
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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by Rustman » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:15 am

Patrick?

Welcome to the forum!

I'm not an expert on British jerry cans. But if it was built for Canadian military service it would have the arrow in the C instead of the British "Broad Arrow" mark.

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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by Rajeee » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:03 am

It was made in Canada in Quebec. Rio Tinto Machine Products was NEVER stamped C and broad arrow. Unless it was taken
Into CDN ARMY STORES (QM) the Jerry cans were made for Allied use not specifically just for Canada. Production increased for D-Day

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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by Rajeee » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:18 am

Nice can. RTMP in Quebec . Made these. The colour looks repainted. But great peice. I have 1 in my collection.

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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by Rustman » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:26 am

Adam,

Thanks. Learn something every day.


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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by Rajeee » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:58 am

Great to meet a fellow collector!

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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by patrickh » Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:32 am

Thanks all!

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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by Klaas » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:48 am

Not totally convinced that it is Rio Tinto; they are an ore company and I can find no evidence that they made anything like jerrycans during the war.
Still think it is/could be Richard Thomas Metal Pressings, especially since finding this on the net: https://www.hobbyhistorica.com/store/p3 ... _1945.html

F&L is definitely Fisher & Ludlow of Birmingham (GB). Rare to see two pieces from different manufacturers combined to make one jerrycan, but it happened with other things like weapons and ammunition in Britain during the war, so why not?
Can't see them sending stuff to Canada from Britain to combine there with other stuff to make a complete product or vice-versa.
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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by Rajeee » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:14 am

Canada Suppied BRIITAIN IN WW2 US and Canada had “LEND LEASE “ going on. Rio tinto also suppied Mkv Anti tank mines to Briton. Inluding Tanks , aircrat, Trucks etc.

F&L. ? Where did that come From. We were talking about RRMP.

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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by Klaas » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:33 am

Hi Rajeee,

In the link in my post there is a RTMP jerrycan with a F&L handle (which looks like it has been there since new). Hence my ramblings :D
I know Canada supplied a lot of materiel (and personnel) to Britain. The Netherlands were for a large part liberated by Canadian Forces in 1944/45.
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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by Klaas » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:09 am

This particular RTMP jerrycan is mine now.
After a clean, it will be joining my other cans in the collection: BMB WATER jerrycan 1944 W/I\D, 2-gallon W/I\D Petrol, 2-gallon C/I\ Petrol, 2-gallon W/I\D water and ... my "old" RTMP jerrycan 1943 W/I\D, which will now go in my GPW.

(still looking for a 1-gallon "oil" can)
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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by patrickh » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:55 pm

Good on you!

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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by Silly's MB » Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:42 pm

Can somebody point me to some evidence about Rio Tinto making Jerrycans ?
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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by bombtech » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:39 pm

I think I will throw the challenge flag on this play for the following reasons; Richard Thomas Metal Production of Sansea (Wales) was a well known and established tin plate maker from before the turn of the century to well past the war. The Baldwins were in direct competition with RTMP, they made tanks, cisterns and cylinders. Their advert has an office address of; Shell-Mex House, London, interesting in its own. Right at the end of the war RT and Baldwins merged into RT&B, I have an advert with this combination. I have seen cans stamped RTB CP&F (do not know who CP&F is) from 1947 thru 1967. I have seen dates of 1942,43 and 44 for cans marked RTMP. Both series of cans are of the standard German pattern and appear to be of very similar manufacturing methods. In my data base the only cans I show of Canadian origin, during WW2, were made by GSW from 1940 thru 44, in the classic two Imperial gallon cube shape.
Due to the apparent surprise by most who read this post, myself included, that Canada made a German style jerry can during the war, I feel some evidentiary is in order to change the status quo. To this extent, I have been struggling to find direct attributable evidence for many of the war time makers that they in fact produced jerry cans. Some have been easy such as a photo showing a woman welder working on a jerry can and the caption says "war work at Rubery Owen in Darlaston". On the other hand, a few word reference to Brintons Carpets of Kidderminster making jerry cans, has not been equivocated to any know stampings that I am aware of?
Till to day I never heard or Rio Tinto, but am more than willing to be persuaded of their contributions to the war effort. However I would like some type of corroboration to make the case.
If any collectors know the identity of; CP&F, I would be quite interested to know.
Above all remember this is a FUN hobby for the educational advancement in the not so scientic quest for understanding the makers and users of military hand held petroleum vessels.
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Re: Jerrycan RTMP

Post by Klaas » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:24 pm

You are saying exactly what I meant in my earlier post, Rick.
I stand by Richard Thomas as the manufacturer RTMP until proven otherwise.
The hunt for conclusive evidence goes on!
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