Spout adapter for fuel Nozzle

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Spout adapter for fuel Nozzle

Post by lucakiki » Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:49 am

I have already mentioned this adapter in previous posts.It is an adapter that locks with a camlock to the USMC spouts,and has on the other side a screw opening, so that the standard U.S. Army "donkey d..k" can be fitted.
I just tried it on a 44 USMC can,and it fits perfectly.What I ignore is if such a device was WWII manufactured,or post war.If,as I hope, it is a war time item,would kind of connect to those european spouted two piece made cans so often discussed and never fully explained.My question is:has anybody seen this adapter,and has he any information to share?
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42 Willys MB-T #13560 11-42
43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
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Post by gibri » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:46 pm

Never seen one, but it doesn't seem logical that it would have been WW2 issue as the screw on spout were not being used then (at least not from what I have seen) seems like it would be more of a post war item for use with the euro cans. I would also think it would not be very practical in a wrtime scenario to be fuin a potential combat mbling around with adapters trying to put gas in a vehicle. not to mention the risk of losing one or the other piece. Just my toughts with that being said where in hell are all the Marine corp spouts?
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Post by gibri » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:51 pm

Sorry for the spelling guys my 3 year old daughter was helping me against my will. (sure)
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NOZZLE:NOT THE SCREW ON KIND!

Post by lucakiki » Tue Oct 14, 2003 1:57 pm

Brian,as we all know,the U.S.M.C. had the "european" spout in war time.I do not know if they had a nozzle for it,but if they did,both of us haven't seen one.So if a cam lockable nozzle had to be used,a device that transforms the opening of a Camlocked spout into an opening identical to the one for the screw lid found on U.S. cans from 1941 onward is a very logical idea*.Is the opening of the adapter that has the screw pattern:the nozzle to be used is NOT the screw on tipe,but the standard one.I would add that the actuating lever on the usual nozzle and the lever on my adapter are of the same design.Too bad I cannot post a picture.So if someone is familiar with this adapter,please stand up!

*at least on par with the choice of a different spout for U.S.M.C. cans!
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43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
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Post by gibri » Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:37 pm

Sorry I misunderstood what you were telling me. That makes more sense, but I still can't imagine the Marine Corp designing a container to hold gasoline with a totaly different spout opening and then having to to make an adapter to use the standard Army spout. just doesn't make any sense!
Maybe thats what is meant by MILITARY INTELLIGENCE :lol:
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Re: spout adapter

Post by Robin » Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:04 pm

" but it doesn't seem logical that it would have been WW2 issue as the screw on spout were not being used then "

I would like to know why my 1943 MONARCH flip top gas can is threaded inside the mouth for a screw in nozzle? Did the military have screw-in nozzles or not during WW2? I have a nozzle that is all brass and threaded that came off of my grandfathers farm. I don't know where he got it; can't ask him now, he's gone. Dad says they always had it on the farm as long as he can remember, back into the 1940's.

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Nozzle puzzle

Post by lucakiki » Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:45 am

Robin,I do not know(my inadequacy) what a flip top can is.The usual american fuel can has the screw lid;the water/food can has the cam locked 2" opening;and the USMC camlocked spout is just as the European cans.That is all in my notions.As per fuel nozzles,again I have inadequate information,as the only nozzle I am aware of is the usual lever expanded rubber with the conical filter screwed on the tip.There should be a difference in war time and post war nozzles,since the question was posed in this forum,but I ignore the answer.The screw on nozzle,is another beast I have never seen,but only read about.Actually U.S. made fuel related items arrived in Italy late in the war,so there are not any early ones around,bar those in collector's hands.Another thought is that(not refering to your can) there are around quite a few altered cans,often very neatly done.Mind you,not fakes,but a way to better suit the cans to peculiar needs,in post war times when jerrycans were not disposable trash,but a valuable item.Some time this was done on a routine basis(in France for sure) or just one offs.Going back to the adapter,until someone with more knowledge stands out,I assume that it was made already in WWII with the purpose of enabling troops ,already supplied with the usual cam locked nozzle ,to use it also on cam lock spouted cans that might show up(USMC or British...)I am just speculating,waiting for better anwers.
Luca

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45 Bantam T-3 #57248 1-10-45
42 Willys MB-T #13560 11-42
43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
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Post by alain simonin » Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:15 pm

Hi,
Luca, I believe a flip top can is the can you know as the european model
and for the nozzles, I recently saw on E-bay.fr a guy selling several US nozzles usable for both screw lid and flip top jerrycans
I don't know which period they were and if they were really US origin but hope it helps
Please, Luca , let have a look at my post on the sticky US gas can so that you could add a new manufacturer on the list
Regards to all
Alain

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Post by Tom Wolboldt » Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:01 pm

Hi Robin

The can you have is one of the experiential cans made in 1943 by Monarch. They were approved for production in 44 but never went into production. So far 3 of these cans has shown up. You have one,I have one ,and Dean Williams has one. The 2 in. threads are std. 2 in. pipe threads. I don't have any information as to what the army was going to use the threads for.

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Post by lucakiki » Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:38 pm

Thank you Alain:I do not know what are the nozzles the guy is selling on E-BAY.What I have is an adapte,and you need the regular nozzle as well to use it.As for the Manufacturer you mentioned on the list,I thank you.I did not add it to the list as it is a U.S.N. can.But we will have a USN list as well,when we get enough people to send pictures and info.In the meantime why don't you jump aboard,so you can be contacted with a P.M.?
Luca

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45 Bantam T-3 #57248 1-10-45
42 Willys MB-T #13560 11-42
43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
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Re: can spouts

Post by rebernigg » Fri Oct 24, 2003 7:33 pm

Tom wrote:Hi Robin

The can you have is one of the experiential cans made in 1943 by Monarch. They were approved for production in 44 but never went into production. So far 3 of these cans has shown up. You have one,I have one ,and Dean Williams has one. The 2 in. threads are std. 2 in. pipe threads. I don't have any information as to what the army was going to use the threads for.

Tom
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I also have one 1942. Peter

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Re: can spouts

Post by lucakiki » Sat Oct 25, 2003 7:11 am

rebernigg wrote:
Tom wrote:Hi Robin

The can you have is one of the experiential cans made in 1943 by Monarch. They were approved for production in 44 but never went into production. So far 3 of these cans has shown up. You have one,I have one ,and Dean Williams has one. The 2 in. threads are std. 2 in. pipe threads. I don't have any information as to what the army was going to use the threads for.

Tom
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I also have one 1942. Peter
Robin was so kind to send me a picture of this unusual can.Well,for those who might be interested,the adapter I mentioned transforms the USMC spout in the very same threaded opening of this can.Perhaps Robin would post the picture here,just as he did for the upside down can?
Luca

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45 Bantam T-3 #57248 1-10-45
42 Willys MB-T #13560 11-42
43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
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