Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

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Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Farrell Fox » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:46 am

Conco can or German can? (I forgot to photograph the breather tube). It has a NATO tag bracket on it, so I'm not sure if it's U.S. or German made. Been trying to buy it but the antique vendor did not leave a price tag and the shop has been unable to reach her.

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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:02 pm

These should help...basically the US cans were spot-welded handles and the European were stick welded. The other differences can be seen in the type of closure hardware and of course the HOLE in the tab on the cap closure.
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Ben Dover » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:54 pm

MVPA "ARMY MOTORS" back about 20 years ago had an excellent and detailed article on WWII German Gas Cans, I do not have the MVPA Index handy or I would give the number of the isue. It may still be availible to MVPA members. I seem to remember the original WWII tooling existed long after WWII.
I have a 1942 dated Wehrmacht can.

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The lower can is undatedand I believe is Dutch, it has a spring loaded bracket on front of the handle with several 1" x 2" removable tags with the class of fuel
This may be the same as the can in question.
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Farrell Fox » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:56 pm

Chuck Lutz wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:02 pm
These should help...basically the US cans were spot-welded handles and the European were stick welded.
This one is half spot welded, and I guess the stick welded side was a repair. Strange it managed to receive a NATO tag bracket. So it looks like I have a Conco can. Excellent, thanks Chuck!
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:44 am

Note the different language I posted on the so called "NATO" can. Why would this late can be ID'd as NATO"?
It is obvious that the can is not WWII.
Perhaps someone has some 90's dated SUPPLY LINES" that have Fred Potters Adirondac Surplus listing a description of these late cans. Mine is the WWII color.
Will Post pics this evening of the Post WWII Can.
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Farrell Fox » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:32 am

Ben Dover wrote:
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Note the different language I posted on the so called "NATO" can. Why would this late can be ID'd as NATO"?
It is obvious that the can is not WWII.
Where in this thread did I refer to this as a "NATO can"? Perhaps in your haste to skim over the topic and post your reply, you missed the words "tag bracket". If you can't identify a simple post war tag, how can you determine if a can is war time or not? :roll:
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:35 am

Farrell Fox wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:56 pm
Chuck Lutz wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:02 pm
These should help...basically the US cans were spot-welded handles and the European were stick welded.
This one is half spot welded, and I guess the stick welded side was a repair. Strange it managed to receive a NATO tag bracket. So it looks like I have a Conco can. Excellent, thanks Chuck!
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This is where you mentioned NATO.
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Farrell Fox » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:06 pm

Ben Dover wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:35 am
Farrell Fox wrote:
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NATO tag bracket.
This is where you mentioned NATO.

NATO............ TAG........... BRACKET.......... don't hurt yourself thinking too hard about it
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:00 pm

Hi Farrell,
Here's another tagged can to decipher. It is not a CONCO, but The description of the can I have does parallel yours. Note the spring loaded tag holder and the tags.
I like mine better. :wink:
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Farrell Fox » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:41 pm

I guess you have a plastic fuel can to share parallels of as well? Should be the same right?
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by gerrykan » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:50 pm

I have only seen that type of TAG BRACKET on Swiss owned cans.
I cannot say that no other country used that bracket, but none that I know of.

BenDover's can was made post-WWII for Swiss Defence Forces.

It appears that right after the war, the Swiss used almost* whatever was available.
When the war ended, Europe was littered with millions of jerrycans that were no longer needed.

I have seen WWII dated British and German cans with these brackets that apparently the Swiss used after the war.
If a CONCO German style can was available, I assume they would have used it.

* I say almost, because I don't remember seeing any US screw-lid cans with this bracket.
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Farrell Fox » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:47 pm

gerrykan wrote:
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It appears that right after the war, the Swiss used almost* whatever was available.
When the war ended, Europe was littered with millions of jerrycans that were no longer needed.
Likewise, I have a 1944 dated British can with the same bracket, and have seen even war time German SS cans with the same bracket. Though I have always seen them referred to as NATO tags. Regardless, that is besides the point. The can is either a Conco can which found its way to and from Europe, or it's a European made can with a Swiss tag bracket.
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:23 pm

Farrell Fox wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:41 pm
I guess you have a plastic fuel can to share parallels of as well? Should be the same right?
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Re: Conco or German "Mystery" Can?

Post by Ben Dover » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:46 am

I do have a nice clean 1943 dated CONCO USMC Can, the protective lining is still intact and it still has the original USMC paint. I am not an expert on USMC OVE but will take pics if there are any features of interest.
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