BA-27 4-1/2V Battery Repro for RM-29 Remote Control

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BA-27 4-1/2V Battery Repro for RM-29 Remote Control

Post by SGM (ret) » Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:19 pm

Been working on putting together a display with my SCR-610 and wanted to add an RM-29 Remote Control hooked up to an EE-8 Field Phone. It would all be much more interesting if the phone hookup all worked correctly. I was held up with the 4-1/2V BA-27 battery for the RM-29.

After some research, I found a few photos of an original BA-27 sold online at some time in the past. Some more digging indicated that the BA-27 was the military version of the standard 4-1/2V portable radio C-circuit battery. There are a lot of these vintage civilian batteries for sale online, and after looking at a bunch and reading the auction descriptions, I was able to determine the standard dimensions (4" x 3" x 1.375").

Working with the photos of the original BA-27, the details and markings could be figured out. After some experimentation and testing, I came up with a pattern for the box and what I feel is a pretty fair copy of the markings. After a few prototypes, I think that I've come up with a pretty good repro battery that I can display and which also works, giving the correct voltage across each of the different terminals.

Here's the original that I was modeling my repro battery on:
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Here's one of my repro batteries installed in my RM-29-A Remote Control. It fits well, but I can now understand what might have motivated the revised RM-29-B. The -A has a shelf over the battery compartment and wiggling the battery into the space is a bit of a challenge. The -B unit had a revised internal layout that did away with the shelf, the battery just dropped into the compartment without the shelf getting in the way.

At any rate, the repro battery fits really well once in place. The RM-29 with the repro battery works perfectly in the phone mode and coms between the remote control and an EE-8 Field Phone is clear as a bell.
BA_27 repo 001.jpg
Once I had the design and construction process figured out, I made two repro BA-27, one for the control unit and another to display.
BA_27 repo 005.jpg
One thing that I did was make the repro batteries so that I can remove and replace the dry-cell actual batteries. To enable this, I made the bottoms of the repro batteries open and close like a normal cardboard box. (The original appeared to be glued closed all around - use, dispose and replace.)
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The repro batteries take 3, standard c-cell 1-1/2V batteries. I wired the c-cell box so that one negative terminal on the repro battery gives 1-1/2V, the second gives 3V and the last negative terminal provides 4-1/2V.
BA_27 repo 003.jpg
I also coated the repro batteries with paraffin wax to give them the look and feel of the original moisture resistant BA-27.
BA_27 repo 002.jpg
Don't know if there's might be any interest in these, but if enough folks want one, making a few of them is entirely possible. I see a lot of the RM-29-* Remote Control units for sale online, and for anyone interested in field phones, it works really well with the EE-8 while offering up an interesting accessory to go with a number of different radio sets.


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Re: BA-27 4-1/2V Battery Repro for RM-29 Remote Control

Post by GreyWulf » Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:52 pm

I would be interested.
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Re: BA-27 4-1/2V Battery Repro for RM-29 Remote Control

Post by SGM (ret) » Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:23 pm

@ GreyWulf:

OK, then. We'll see if anyone else speaks up about it.

These things were pretty time consuming to make. They also required a lot of odd, small hardware that I found somewhat difficult to source. The more folks who step up, the better. Making them one at a time takes several hours of work for each. Making a bunch all at once would be much better.

Ten or more folks wanting one would probably be a fair planning number.

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Post by retro-roco » Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:43 am

Yes please. I would be interested in two (2).
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Post by Jeeps4Brains » Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:09 am

I would be interested in a couple.
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Post by torneb » Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:35 am

I will take 4

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Post by SGM (ret) » Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:39 pm

OK, by my count that makes maybe nine batteries to be made.

I've done some math on the material costs and time, and to make about ten of these, I'd have to ask $30 each plus postage. I imagine this may sound excessive, but as a comparison, I'd offer up the vintage radio battery labels that are sold by the Radiola Guy which start at around $20 for two, each. (This is just for the labels which must then be cut out, trimmed and glued onto a repro battery body provided by the end user).

https://www.radiolaguy.com/Batteries/Vi ... D%20labels

(Please note that I'm not saying this to criticize the Radiola Guy. I've purchased and used some of his labels for WWII d-cell (BA-30) batteries with total satisfaction. I only mean to offer this observation to provide a bit of perspective on the costs of similar, related low-production hand-made items.)

The repro batteries that I propose to offer would be fully functional and marked as shown in the photos, above. They will only need the end user to provide and install three, 1-1/2V c-cell dry-cell batteries.

If this is acceptable to you guys, please send me a DM confirming that you would still buy the batteries. Once I have confirmation for the nine batteries already spoken for, I'll get to work on making them.

I'm not asking anyone to send me any money in advance. I'll cover the up-front costs. It will likely take me about 2-3 weeks from the time I pull the trigger on making the batteries to source the materials and then make them. I'll keep you all in the loop if this goes forward.

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Post by torneb » Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:02 pm

Sounds good looking forward to them, If you ever do the BA-2 22.5 vdc battery I would be interested in 8 of them.
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Re: BA-27 4-1/2V Battery Repro for RM-29 Remote Control

Post by SGM (ret) » Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:09 pm

I'm sure that most folks reading this understand that the BA-27 offered three different voltages depending on which terminals were used and connected to the device.

But, to illustrate, here are shots of the voltage measured across each of the pairs (common positive and the different negatives):
BA_27 Repo 4_1_2V.jpg
BA_27 Repo 3V.jpg
BA_27 Repo 1_1_2V.jpg
You might note that the voltages are not precisely, 1-1/2V, 3V and 4-1/2V. That's because the dry-cell batteries are loaded at the factory with an extra 1/10V. (I assume that's to ensure the buyer of at least 1-1/2V when the battery is used before the expiration date.) As far as I can tell, this small extra voltage is inconsequential to the proper functioning of the device (which could modulate to the precise voltage if needed through the circuit design).

At any rate, the (-)4-1/2V is the critical voltage for the RM-29-*.

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Re: BA-27 4-1/2V Battery Repro for RM-29 Remote Control

Post by GreyWulf » Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:46 pm

I would be interested in 2 or 3 depending on funds.
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Post by g504 » Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:13 am

Hello.

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Post by SGM (ret) » Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:50 am

OK, guys.

Looks like there are enough of you that have confirmed your intent to buy these that making them can be done. So, I'll order up the materials and supplies and get started. As I mentioned above, it will take at least 2-3 weeks to get the parts and build the batteries. Figure around the end of this month or the beginning of March for me to be ready to ship them. Again, I'm not asking for any payment until the batteries are ready to ship.

If anyone else is interested and wants one of these, PM/DM me ASAP so that I can be sure to get the extra parts.

I'll also reach out with a PM to all the guys who have posted up on this thread with details.

Happy collecting!
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Re: BA-27 4-1/2V Battery Repro for RM-29 Remote Control

Post by retro-roco » Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:41 pm

Go you know if the original knurled thumb nuts were brass, or some other metal? I cant tell in your first pic if they are corroded brass or perhaps some other (zinc plated??).
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Post by SGM (ret) » Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:43 pm

Hi Kirk,

I honestly cannot say for certain what they were made of.

Here's another shot of the same original vintage battery. There are hints or suggestions that perhaps the terminals were made from brass (note the glint and color on the washer on the farthest terminal). However, all of the thumb nuts are simply too dark with what I assume to be corrosion and none have any scratches or bare spots that I could see in this (or any of the other photos).
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Zinc plated is certainly a possibility. Unfortunately, the only other photos of original BA-27 batteries that I could find were all in B&W in technical manuals. I could not find any written details about their construction. For example, here are the two early (I assume) BA-27 batteries shown in TM 11-308:

BA-27 installed in RM-29-A
BA_27 Early Graphics 01.jpg
BA-27 installed in RM-29-B
BA_27 Early Graphics 02.jpg
Note that the terminal designs on these batteries are different than the other BA-27 photographed for the online auction. Also, the label info on these two batteries is printed on separate paper labels glued to the batteries rather than printed directly onto the battery box. (I've actually been thinking about trying to reproduce this battery style as another project.)

The photos of original, vintage civilian 4-1/2V radio c-circuit batteries were all over the place with regards to the terminals and their apparent materials (thumb nuts, fahnestock clips, or female sockets for multi-prong plugs).

Here are some vintage civilian examples:
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The first example is a Burgess battery that looks pretty much like the thumb nuts and terminals are brass. The second is an Eveready with what apprear to be brass washed fahnestock clips. The other two (another Eveready and a Silvertone) are just to show some of the variety in the civilian versions.

I decided to go with the brass terminals.

I do welcome any other info that someone else out there in the collecting world might have and be willing to share.

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Re: BA-27 4-1/2V Battery Repro for RM-29 Remote Control

Post by smartsniper308 » Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:59 pm

SGM,I appreciate your enthusiasm on this project and your willingness to share. Please put me down for two of these adapters.

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