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PRC 10 vehicle mount

Post by Dallas » Wed Feb 04, 2004 9:14 am

I would be interested in the model number of a vehicle mount for the PRC 10 used with its own battery pack.In all my Signal Corps data I can't find a listing for one.I know the PRC-25 and 77 have one.The only reference to a vehicle mount for the PRC 10 is the AM 598 and mount.Could it be French or Canadian?
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PRC-8/9/10 mount for Radio & Batt

Post by RadioJeepMan » Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:39 pm

Dallas and all

Here's a couple of pics of the mount for holding a spare PRC-8/9/10 with it's batt box.

http://www.imaxx.net/~pgv/PRC-10Mount.jpg

http://www.imaxx.net/~pgv/PRC-10Mount1.jpg

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List of radios for WWII MVs.

Post by Carl Atkison » Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:29 am

One I didn't see in the list is the SCR-593 used by Coastal Artillery and AAA. Mine's dated 1943 with a vehicle mount.

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Post by Mark Tombleson » Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:16 pm

Carl, they have one listed on this site. Is this correct?

http://209.165.152.119/radios/


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Receiver, Warning-Network (BC-728), four channels, 2-6 Mhz, powered by 2-V battery; TM 11-859, 1943. General Purpose. Pack and vehicular; rec only; AM; freq range 2.0-6.0 mc; voice and tone only, 455 kc IF. Four preset channels; pushbutton control, 7 tubes CD-618, FT-338 Uses storage Battery BB-54; requires 1.85 amp at 2 v DC. Uses 7 ft telescoping whip ant, AN-75A. Used by AAA for reception of alert or warning signals.
BC-728 Receiver, 2-6 MHz, 4 push-button channels, P/O SCR-593
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Post by lindyp38 » Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:52 am

what a wealth of info....

would never thought...so many radios......wow....

i just have a back pack radio mounted on my jeep for display....

would be nice to get it operational.....

would it take much.....

any suggestions....

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Post by brian in denver » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:22 pm

heres good basic explanation of wwII radios.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Corps_Radio
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Post by Mark Tombleson » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:39 pm

I'm going to repost Gunner's reply from another thread for use here... Robert... I hope you don't mind.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject:

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Radios officially approved for installation in Truck, 3/4 Ton, 4 X 4, Weapon Carrier as of 01 February 1945 are:

For 6 Volt vehicles -

SCR-284-A
SCR-510
SCR-610

For 12 Volt vehicles -

RC-58
SCR-193-U
SCR-284-A
SCR-506-A
SCR-508
SCR-510
SCR-528
SCR-608
SCR-610
SCR-628

As of 27 February 1945

Someone mentioned without explaining why that what type of unit the vehicle was assigned to tended to determine what type radios were installed. HF radios (on the above lists the SCR-193, SCR-284 and SCR-506) were used for medium and long range communications and thus were used by all arms. The FM sets (on the above lists the SCR-508, 510, 528, 608, 610 and 628) were (without the RC-292 range extension antenna) short range and were used for vehicle to vehicle or battery to battery communication.

The VHF FM band was during WW-II divided between Armor and Artillery. Armor had 80 channels between 20.0 and 27.9 MC. Artillery had 120 channels between 27.0 and 38.9 MC (note the 10 channel overlap). So Armored Division and attached units would normally carry the 500 series FM sets and Artillery unit vehicles would carry the 600 series sets. Plus a few headquarters vehicles and scout vehicles would carry an HF set.

So depending upon what function the 14th AD Dodge was assigned, either one or two out of the following (i.e., max of two different radios and assuming it's a 12 volt vehicle).

SCR-193
SCR-284 (unlikely near the end of the War)
SCR-506
SCR-508
SCR-510
SCR-528

Plus if a Division or Combat Command Headquarters vehicle possibly an RC-58 FAX machine which generally requires one of the HF sets. If the vehicle was set up for liasion with Artillery, it could carry an SCR-608 or SCR-610 plus one of the 500 Series sets. For the official load for a specifically tasked vehicle you will have to check the TO&E of the 14th AD effective on the date in question.

Beyond that, what was actually working in any specific vehicle could have depended upon the scrounging ability of the Signal Corps maintenance people. I'm not familiar with the history of the 14th AD but if they came up from North Africa they might possibly have still had an SCR-210 or SCR-245 or two. And you can pretty much bet that at least a few Dodges had an SCR-499-A in them at one time or another. If they could officially put one in an MB they could certainly have put one in a Dodge. Likewise some SCR-694-C probably got bolted into a few, even though only the Jeep manual ever got officially updated to show it.

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I also want to link a thread on how to ask about what radio you need. Included in this link is infomation on a guide to WWII communications equipment by Sam Hevener.

http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.ph ... ner#486771
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Post by petesilfven » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:58 am

I've downloaded and assembled all of the files for JANAP 161. This is a postwar naval publication, listing radio equipment for both army and navy, giving specs, and complete listings of what a listed radio can communicate with. It's pretty handy to have for reference. Be advised that this is a fairly large document (163 MB). The link is below, enjoy!

http://www.box.net/shared/static/s0txpa8c1g.pdf
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Post by Nebkheper-re » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:29 pm

Hello petesilfven,

Thanks for the link, and congratulation for the work !

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Post by willy » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:42 pm

Thanks Pete.
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I made a copy off your post 1170 pages is a bit much to print.
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Post by AROOGA » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:51 am

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This for you. An AN/GRC-9 installed in a jeep causes a name change to AN/VRC-34. See TM 11-5820-453-20. It replaced the SCR-284, SCR-288 and SCR-694.
A typical Marine Corps application for this radio in WII and the Korean War would be on the Naval Gunfire Spotting Net. The Naval Gunfire Spotter with the supported unit in contact with the enemy would request NGF support and once given, adjust fire on the target. Stations on this net were the NGF Spotter with the supported unit (up front as mentioned), the NGF Liaison Officer in the Infantry Bn Fire Support Coordination Center (FSCC)and the Direct Support Ship providing the NGF. The Marine Corps Shore Fire Control Party consists of the NGF Spotters and Liaison Officers. Once assigned to a unit (typically Infantry Bn) they split up as mentioned. Whent the NGF Spotter requests NGF from the Direct Support Ship, The NGF Liaison Officer monitors the request and his silence denotes approval. If he interrupts the request, it might be because he thinks another supporting arm (arty/air) might provide more timely or better affect on the target. Or, maybe the Direct Support Ship is going off-station and it's replacement is not in position. Anyway, this is generally how it worked. Oh, by the way, the NGF Spotter didn't have his AN/GRC-9 mounted in a jeep. He had it in a fighting hole along with the rest of the grunts and his buddy was hand crankin his ass off on the power generator. Now the NGF Liaison Officer was a different story, he used his in the FSCC remoted out to his jeep.
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Post by wa5cab » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:09 am

Actually, to get the history correct, the SCR-288 was a stop-gap set bought from a commercial set that was being sold to Sweden I think it was. Sweden got overrun by the Germans and some of the production went to USA. When the SCR-284 got into production, it replaced the SCR-288, and very few of the latter have survived. AFAIK, there was not a vehicular variant of the SCR-288.

The SCR-284 served throughout the remainder of the War but was in turn superceded beginning in 1944 by the SCR-694. However, there is no known evidence that the vehicular variant of SCR-694 actually saw service during WW-II. A shipping SNAFU sent all of the PE-237's to the Pacific and one of the Green Books says they didn't get returned and married up to the radios until just before VE-Day. Parts of SCR-694 were also used in AN/TRC-2, a super-pack set. SCR-694's remained in service into Korea but production of the radio itself (BC-1306) ceased in 1945. SCR-694 was replaced by AN/GRC-9, which initially carried forward all SCR-694 components except for the radio, radio canvas bag and vehicular mount (the latter two being too small to fit RT-77/GRC-9). All other components were initially the same.

AN/VRC-34 and AN/GRC-87 were nomenclatures administratively assigned circa 1961 to allow differentiation between the specific components required for the vehicular and pack set variants for ordering and Unit accounting purposes.
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Post by clarkray » Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:00 am

I am restoring a Ford T 16 universal carrier and I wonder if any of you know witch radio was supplied to the Canadian army in them?

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Re: List of radios for WWII MVs.

Post by iowa » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:16 am

nice job mark
this is a great thread
i bought this TM 11-487 from s.o. on this forum
and it is really nice
it tells all about WWII radio sets (among other things)
and has a B n W photo of every one of them!
it is really nice for a radio beginner like me to actually see what these radios looked like
(s.o. above posted a request for actual pics of each radio used in the WWII jeeps; this would be great)
does anyone know if there is a digital copy of it's 517 pages!!?
between this TM, TM-2715 (installation of radio's in jeeps, mark's list, Hevener's book, and comments on this thread,
one can get a great picture of the radio's used in WWII jeeps
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Re: List of radios for WWII MVs.

Post by Hanselandgretel » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:42 pm

There is an excellent reference list of military commo gear, not sorted by WWII or any war, but a great reference of model numbers. Go to West Coast Military Radio Collectors Group website, then Military Commo Equipment List under related sites. Enjoy.

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