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Ww2 small wall tent

Post by 42GPW » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:04 am

How much is an original small ww2 wall tent worth? In great shape. No poles. Has guy wires. No rips or tears, and comes with storage cover. We havent settled on a price. I have no photos. Didnt have my cell with me when we pulled it out. Obiviously the cheaper the better. And am kinda curious for insurance coverage for my display.

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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by Quartermaster » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:12 am

Pictures would really help in this discussion.

What is the color - khaki, OD #3 or OD #7?
Is there any stenciling on the canvas?
Is the ID tag still sewn onto an inner door? This will indicate manufacturer and mfg date.
Are the line tensioners the original coiled metal version with the bar & loop or later replacements?

What is your desire for accuracy? You state "the cheaper the better" but remember you usually get what you pay for.

Do you want a authentic WW2 tent or would a reproduction tent work just as well?

It seems that an original tent ought to command a greater price than a reproduction tent ---- would you pay more for an original WW2 vintage Garand or carbine than a later post war or commercial weapon? Would you rather display or wear original WW2 gear or reproduction items?

I realize that there are several concerns offering reproduction tentage and there many who praise or curse these products - accuracy is important to some but not to others. Even accurate appearance is wanted by some and others seem to be rather lax with their research and knowledge and accept whatever suits their pocketbook.

Personally, I tend to want the best representation possible as this is not a cheap hobby --- as they say "You have to pay to play!" so, in my opinion, the best maker of ACCURATE WW2 tents is WWII Impressions - possibly the most expensive too but as they say .....

(I have no attachment to Juan G at WWII Impressions but I do know good products when I see them.)

An excellent reproduction WW2 Small Wall Tent from WWII Impressions is $1,600 without poles or pins. A true piece of history that one ought to be proud to display before fellow hobbyists and the public probably is worth more that the repro price unless there are obvious defects in the original tent that could bring down the value. For goodness sake - the original is a piece of history - it was there during the war!

For what it's worth - I own an original Small Wall tent - dated 1941 in the most desirable (in my view) khahi color - it is in rather good condition with a fully legible tag which I use in my displays --- many times when interacting with the public there is considerably more time devoted in discussing this 78 year old relic tent than the other really cool items I have to share with the visitors. It's a hit with fellow living historians, too and I have a list of parties that have indicated interest in purchasing it whenever I decide to let it go.
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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by 42GPW » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:32 pm

So i went back and was able to haul the tent outside and open it up. Its labeled with a white tag(sewn in)
"1944 australian tent". Looks alot like a US small wall tent. Side walls are around 3 foot high. Both ends open up. No floor. In really great shape. What is it exactly that i have?
It doesnt have poles, but has the spring type rope tensioners. Also has 3 loops, one on the top corner and one on the top center. All three outside of the tent. Almost like to hang it if there isnt any poles. If i could post photos i would. Cant do it with my phone. Ive tried the format. And tired of trying.

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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by Quartermaster » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:32 am

Check out this link

http://users.skynet.be/jeeper/tentage.html

It is a site that details WW2 US tentage including the US Small Wall Tent. There you can see all the components and dimensions associated with the tent in question. It is a good summary of the information found in FM 20-15 Tents and Tent Pitching which not only describes the various tents but also how to pitch, strike and fold each tent plus details on proper poles, pins and other accessories. (This FM can be found online if you cannot obtain a hard copy.)

In my opinion, if all things are equal (condition, color, date and such and it truly is a correct Small Wall Tent) then I would say that your tent in question being marked 1944 (war time) AND indicated as Australian made would only increase it's value due to the scarceness of tents made by an ally.

As a rule of thumb - I own a number of US WW2 wool blankets - the ones with readable sewn in mfg labels having the most value BUT I also have a very nice gray WW2 blanket with an excellent sewn in tag stating "MADE IN AUSTRALIA 1942" which seems to be the most desired and valuable. There are collectors that seem to specialize in allied made "US" equipment - British made comes to mind but items made in Australia apparently are much more rare.

On the other side of the coin - without any Stock Numbers or other clear proof that this tent is an Australian produced copy of the US Small Wall Tent then the possibility exists that this isn't really a "to specifications" copy of the tent but actually an Australian military tent that just is sort of copied along the lines of the US version. (Different dimensions would require adjusting pole dimensions as stated in the manuals.) Wall tents have been around for a long time - you can see versions used in pre Civil War photos and the Boy Scouts adopted them as a standard too! That might lessen the desirability or enhance it - who knows. No matter - being Australian and from 1944 would spark my interest but I seem to have a thing for tents as I have gone through several US Small Wall Tents, a US Large Wall Tent, a US Pyramidal Tent, and a M-1942 Command Post Tent so I have devoted some time in research - collecting information, blue prints and photos.
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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by 42GPW » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:23 am

Thank you. Really leaning toward a small wall tent size on this. If weather permits today i will try to put it up. If i take photos can i send them to you to post?

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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by Rustman » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:35 am

Matt,

I have seen photographs from Australia of a tent as you describe. I think like our wall tents they came in several sizes. Here is the fastest photograph I could find. I have a focused study on Salvation Army War Services and this photo was posted by The Salvation Army Museum - Australia Facebook page a little while back. On the right hand side is a tent with the external loops for supporting by poles. The British also had tents that again are similar but not identical to ours. The 160lb tent being the closest to our Large Wall and the 80lb to our small wall. But they used two uprights internally, no ridge.

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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by 42GPW » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:17 am

Wow! Looks like it. Thanks. Its a neat tent but i just dont have a need for it. I sent photos to quartermaster. Not sure if he can post them. If weather and time permitted. i would put a 16foot 4x4 through the top and snap some more photos. Its in great shape. Love to use it for some 50s era camping in my 47 cj2a i restored. But i already have a nice small wall tent. Thanks for finding a photo. I think thats what it would look like in the up right position. Im most likely going to be putting this on ebay soon.

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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by Rustman » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:09 pm

Matt I sent you a PM.

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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by Rustman » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:49 pm

Quartemaster you seem to be a true affciianodo of military canvas and not just another reenactor satisfied with a Home Depot tarp or a Boy Scout tent. So I'm informing you f a new thread I'm starting on a fly I purchased in August that you might like to see. I'll put it in the general Reenactor forum.

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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by Quartermaster » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:54 am

Hi Rustman (AKA Matt),

I guess the wonderful smell of OD canvas in my jeep fueled a desire for more and where to REALLY smell that aroma but by embracing period military tents??

BTW - I emailed you - hope you get it and are able to reply.

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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by John Neuenburg » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:37 pm

Measuring the length and width will give us a clue. U.S. small wall tents are 8' 10" wide x 9' 2" long. 8' 6" high. There were smaller wall tents used by the British and probably the Commonwealth countries. In the U.S. a foreign one won't bring as much money as a common U.S., olive drab, small wall tent.

A photo of the label would be helpful. I will post a photo if you email me one. I am familiar with British and Commonwealth label styles. And there was foreign pattern equipment made in the U.S. for the Lend Lease program which would carry U.S. format labels.

U.S. tents have five sewn grommet holes on each eave with ropes attached. Sewn hole at peak on each end for the spike on the poles. Chimney hole, aka window, on a door flap on each end. Sides laced to the door canvas so sides can be rolled up so it looks sort of like a fly. Tapes sewn on to tie the rolls up. And tapes to tie the door flaps open. US stencil on the roof.

Been camping at big military vehicle meets annually since 1986 mostly using a small wall tent and sometimes my M1942 Command Post. I organized a G.I. Tent Self Guided Walking Tour at one Tower Park meet, putting nomenclature signs by each tent I could spot. I have never seen a khaki U.S. tent. FYI, Armbruster, one of the original manufacturers who still makes the historical types, makes a khaki one in their World War 1 line.
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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by 42GPW » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:08 pm

Ive sent photos to the other guys comenting. Maybe one of them can post photos.

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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by Rustman » Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:13 am

Here's some pictures. It's most certainly an Australian pattern tent. NOT the same as a US Small Wall nor the British 160 lb tent. The photo up thread I posted shows this type set up. Matt sent me photos. He sent me several more, as one would a potential buyer including the cover etc. But for discussion purposes I think these are sufficient.

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Re: Ww2 small wall tent

Post by 42GPW » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:25 am

Thanks matt P.
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