Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

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Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by Riverine » Sat May 28, 2022 12:29 pm

I apologize Moderators if I posted this in the wrong forum. I thought others might find this of interest.

https://29thdivisionassociation.com/savethepatch/


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Re: Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by Lee Bishop » Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:27 am

I... I don't even have the words.
If you look up the history of the man who designed this, the Army never had a bigger supporter for racial equality. He was clearly trying to show the end of the "us-them" mindset that existed in the east decades after the Civil War was over!
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Re: Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by hell-fire » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:05 am

I signed the petition, this political correctness is really getting beyond a Joke. Hopefully logic will prevail.
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Re: Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by wc56daveyboy » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:37 am

Ridiculous. Just becuse it has “grey” in the color scheme?

What’s next? The 42nd “rainbow division”?

Oh wait.. that won’t happen.

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Re: Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by Bluedevil1 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:47 pm

I get that the patch has a solid story and history behind it but like also it's a deliberate choice to invoke the color scheme of the confederacy. Per Ulio himself: "Recognizing the unique composition of the 29th, bringing together units from North and South".

That's the rub. Why should the US Army have a patch that includes confederate symbols?

Ya know, the confederacy a group of states that decided leaving the Union to preserve the institution of slavery was a good choice. Really slavery was going to go away anyways on its own, thanks to the Industrial revolution and technology. But hey that's the hill the South wanted to die.

What's more, is that "the bringing together of North and South" was done so on the ruins of the failed Reconstruction and the rise of Jim Crow.

Do we really want the US Army in 2022 to honor confederate symbolism? Probably not.

Could some exceptions be made and maybe the Patch should instead serve as a reminder that fighting a civil war against each other is stupid (even today or whatever happens after 2024, it's so dumb to fight a civil war or launch an insurrection against your own people)? Probably.

That's kinda where I am at with this and have signed it. Hopefully, the patch will stay and be recontextualized.
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Re: Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by DogDoc » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:30 pm

Cancel culture is just one step closer to naziism. Understanding our history so we don’t make the same mistakes is extremely important. Hopefully common sense will prevail. It would be nice if we knew how the people who have served it the 29th feel about this.
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Re: Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by Bluedevil1 » Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:13 am

Cancel culture is as American as Baseball and Jazz. We literally cancelled 30k tories and took their money and property and ran them out to Canada at the end of the Rev War. We also canceled the Confederacy.

It's not about having common sense, whatever that means, it's about asking ourselves as a country do we want to continue to attach symbols in society related to the Confederacy and Lost Cause Crimp One Off?

Inherently both are part of our history but I would argue not everything related to them needs to come down but most sure as hell need to be rethought and recontextualized.
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Re: Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by BERLIN RED » Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:06 pm

Good news. Looks like the patch is here to stay!

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Re: Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by Hammerhead » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:11 pm

That IS good news. Who would have thought Fort Bragg, Fort Hood, Fort Benning, Fort Polk and others would be renamed because we're in the land of the offended!
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Re: Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by Manu-Military » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:49 pm

Being French and passionate about the history of WW2 and a modeler for the last 40 years, I was of course very interested in the history of the American units which made the D-Day landings, of which the 29th was a part.
Later I learned that the 29ers were the liberators of my mother's town, Vire in Normandy on August 18 where a monument to commemorate this event is erected.
For all these reasons, I found the idea of removing the historical badge to be simply indecent and the reason very stupid.
This is why, although being very distant from the political and administrative considerations of American society and its army, I decided to sign this petition to do something at my level.
I am very happy to learn that this decision now appears to be on hold.

Here is the monument in Vire :
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And another one in a village on the route to Saint Lô:
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Re: Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by Hammerhead » Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:03 pm

Wow thanks for sharing those pictures!!
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Re: Save the Historic 29th Division Patch

Post by loni17thAirD » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:13 pm

I saw this same subject about the 29th Infantry Division patch, don't remember where. I'm shocked the US Army let it stand as is, maybe be in five to ten years it to will change. The US Army is going woke like everything else. I'm not sure about the cancel culture idea. Americans have almost always tried stand for what they believed in even if it was wrong. That would include the civil war, Jim crow and its aftermath. All of that is part of our history, good, bad and ugly. I was blessed to have traveled and lived in 23 different countries, none of them were like the United States of America.


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